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Old 11-16-2007, 11:58 AM
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End of Boras?

I've been wondering for the last couple days...

With the Yankees ownership meeting with ARod behind Scott Boras' back and getting a deal done after Mr Boras got the official cold shoulder at the GM meetings, does this signal a paradigm shift in baseball that the uber-agent can no longer hold teams by the pen until the ink is dry on the contract? Could the Yankees and ARod have actually done something GOOD for baseball?

I'm not sure if there was collusion involved or if Boras will whine about it when ARod drops him as his agent, but it certainly seems to me that this is a big step towards teams and players working to get deals done despite what the spin machine that Boras has been tells the players they're "worth."

Any thoughts?
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:01 PM
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Boras using what turned out to be the final game of the World Series to say that A-Rod was opting out angered most in baseball. Every dog has its day...

I get the feeling A-Rod didn't know he opted out until he heard it on FOX
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:05 PM
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Boras won't be going anywhere soon. Yes, the entire ordeal was a gigantic embarrassment for him. The problem with this "embarassment" is his client still got $275 million over 10 years, which is the richest contract in sports history. He still gets to pocket $27.5 million of this. Say what you will about him, the guy still gets top dollar for his clients, whether they deserve it or not. Players will still want him as their agent. The only plus side to this is, hopefully, when Boras approaches a team saying he has a better contract offer from another team, the former team makes him show this supposedly better "offer". The mistake Boras made was trying to run over the Yankees, the only team with the capital to pay A-Rod anything close to what he was asking. The Yankees simply called him on it.
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:08 PM
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Boras got his client the second largest deal in the history of baseball. He made the Yankees come back to the table after saying they were done with him.

He is still the single most powerful man in baseball.
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:10 PM
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It is an interesting thought.

If teams decide to give the cold shoulder to Boras and his players, where would they go? It was odd to have the Yankees be the ones to do it, but sometimes I think Boras is more evil than the Yankees.
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:11 PM
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It is not the end of Borass. Even if it was, it would not change anything. Until the human emotion known as greed is removed from our psyches, there will always be an agent willing to do what he does because there are always young men who play baseball who are willing to pursue the top dollar at all cost. Borass is not the only one who does it, he is just the most famous.
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:14 PM
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I've been wondering for the last couple days...

With the Yankees ownership meeting with ARod behind Scott Boras' back and getting a deal done after Mr Boras got the official cold shoulder at the GM meetings, does this signal a paradigm shift in baseball that the uber-agent can no longer hold teams by the pen until the ink is dry on the contract? Could the Yankees and ARod have actually done something GOOD for baseball?

I'm not sure if there was collusion involved or if Boras will whine about it when ARod drops him as his agent, but it certainly seems to me that this is a big step towards teams and players working to get deals done despite what the spin machine that Boras has been tells the players they're "worth."

Any thoughts?
I don't think anything will come of this. I believe Boras will be drawing up the contract. If A-Rod was really pissed off at Boras and did this whole negotiation himself, then why wouldn't he have fired him and rob Boras of his monster commission? Boras wouldn't deserve it.

Even the fact that A-Rod opted out during game 4 will blow over. Boras took the wrap for it, apologized for it, it's over. The bridge is already built, walk over it.

With the market as it is, a good negotiator will always win, no matter what his or her name is. We'll see as this offseason continues and the contracts that are signed.

I am not optimistic this Boras/A-Rod/Yankee crap changes a damn thing.
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:15 PM
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If teams decide to give the cold shoulder to Boras and his players, where would they go? It was odd to have the Yankees be the ones to do it, but sometimes I think Boras is more evil than the Yankees.
I agree that Boras still has power, but the pure fact that a team (albeit the Yankees) had the intestinal fortitude to call him on his hype machine, and they won, in my mind calls into question future validity of his hype machine. There's a crack in the formerly bulletproof glass that surrounds Boras and his clients, and everyone else's fresh air is going to seep into the box and wake his clients up. Yes, he gets top dollar and yes, ARod just got the biggest contract in baseball history. But Boras didn't negotiate it and, compared to what he said he could get, he left money on the table.

I'm thrilled that Boras is sinking like the Titanic. Maybe we can throw Drew Rosenhaus on there w/ him.
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:23 PM
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I agree that Boras still has power, but the pure fact that a team (albeit the Yankees) had the intestinal fortitude to call him on his hype machine, and they won, in my mind calls into question future validity of his hype machine. There's a crack in the formerly bulletproof glass that surrounds Boras and his clients, and everyone else's fresh air is going to seep into the box and wake his clients up. Yes, he gets top dollar and yes, ARod just got the biggest contract in baseball history. But Boras didn't negotiate it and, compared to what he said he could get, he left money on the table.

I'm thrilled that Boras is sinking like the Titanic. Maybe we can throw Drew Rosenhaus on there w/ him.
I'm lost. How is he tanking? How was he called out? And if he was because Yankees ownership said they were done with A-Rod after opting out, he still stands to gain from the 180 pulled (whether you want to believe A-Rod did it on his own or not).

jabrch is dead on, IMO.

The Yankees lost their subsidy, supposedly A-Rod is making up the difference (most likely by signing at $275 instead of $295), but he got 10 years for his client at $27.5M; effectively setting him for the rest of his career.

Boras wins.
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:26 PM
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It's up to the GMs and athletes if he goes away. So far the Sox don't like to deal with him and the Yankees have just shut him out. It should only take a few more GMs to jump on board before his downfall.
Think about being a player looking for a new agent. You can either have your option of going to all 30 teams, or having an agent where your options are limited. If teams actually shut out Boras clients like Sox do, then people aren't going to want to sign with him anymore.
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:32 PM
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It's up to the GMs and athletes if he goes away. So far the Sox don't like to deal with him and the Yankees have just shut him out. It should only take a few more GMs to jump on board before his downfall.
Think about being a player looking for a new agent. You can either have your option of going to all 30 teams, or having an agent where your options are limited. If teams actually shut out Boras clients like Sox do, then people aren't going to want to sign with him anymore.
Exactly! Especially if the Yankees and Red Sox would shut him out.
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Old 11-16-2007, 01:14 PM
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Coachroaches survive so will Bor-ASS!
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Old 11-16-2007, 01:18 PM
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He still gets to pocket $27.5 million of this.
Just to clarify, according to this, his commission is 5%.

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He takes a five-per-cent commission on the salaries of his major-league clients, which this year total two hundred and ninety-five million dollars, and on the signing bonuses of his prospects (but not on their paltry minor-league wages).
Still not shabby.
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Old 11-16-2007, 01:38 PM
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Every time you stop Boras, you simply create more Borases.
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Old 11-16-2007, 01:41 PM
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According to today's NY Times A-Rod has circumvented Boras before. During his initial contract negotiations with the Mariners, Boras and the M's were far apart on the dollars as the signing deadline loomed. A-Rod, accompanied by a family associate, negotiated directly with M's management, and hours before the deadline, they reached an agreement that was a lot closer to the M's numbers than to Boras'.

Boras filed a grievance over the matter but it was never heard.

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