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Old 11-16-2007, 09:56 AM
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This thread is too nit-picky...
Well, this is WSI.
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Old 11-16-2007, 09:59 AM
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Old 11-16-2007, 10:00 AM
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Ugh....who ****ing knows what he is.

Was he a throw-in in the deal? Of course--any deal w/ Danks and Masset and a 20 year old project, guess who's the throw-in....

However, that doesn't mean that

a.) the kid can't throw
b.) the kid won't end up being the best of the three

I doubt that b.) will happen though, since I expect HUGE things from Danks
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Old 11-16-2007, 11:58 AM
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The way I see it:

Danks was the centerpiece of the deal for the Sox.

Rasner is not a top ten prospect.

Rasner was not a "throw in" because it seems he has potential can we can assume the Sox/KW targeted him.

Because Rasner has done badly in the minors, does not reflect his MLB potential. He was drafted out of high school. Some pitchers don't break in until age 24 to 26...
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:14 PM
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Stats tell about 50% of the story for minor league baseball.
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:27 PM
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Ugh....who ****ing knows what he is.

Was he a throw-in in the deal? Of course--any deal w/ Danks and Masset and a 20 year old project, guess who's the throw-in....

However, that doesn't mean that

a.) the kid can't throw
b.) the kid won't end up being the best of the three

I doubt that b.) will happen though, since I expect HUGE things from Danks
well said. my thoughts exactly.
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Old 11-16-2007, 06:27 PM
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Stats tell about 50% of the story for minor league baseball.
More like 33% with guys drafted out of high school, since none of them have even finished growing.
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Old 11-16-2007, 06:36 PM
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More like 33% with guys drafted out of high school, since none of them have even finished growing.
Oh I was done growing my sophmore year, christ, I haven't grown an inch since eighth grade.

I think we use the term "throw in player" rather carelessly around here...I don't think any GM thinks "And what the hell, I'll give you so-so too!" I think that some players are more wanted than others, but it's not as if this was a player that neither Kenny or the Texas GM didn't care about.
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Old 11-16-2007, 06:38 PM
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More like 33% with guys drafted out of high school, since none of them have even finished growing.
Aren't you still wearing the same pants from high school?

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Old 11-16-2007, 06:50 PM
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Oh I was done growing my sophmore year, christ, I haven't grown an inch since eighth grade.

I think we use the term "throw in player" rather carelessly around here...I don't think any GM thinks "And what the hell, I'll give you so-so too!" I think that some players are more wanted than others, but it's not as if this was a player that neither Kenny or the Texas GM didn't care about.
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Aren't you still wearing the same pants from high school?

When you become a pro athlete, your workout regimen changes just a tad.


One of the guys I caught in HS was drafted by the Reds, and gained twenty pounds of muscle in three years, be fore having his shoulder explode
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Old 11-16-2007, 07:17 PM
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When you become a pro athlete, your workout regimen changes just a tad.

I guy I caught in HS was drafted by the Reds, and gained thirty pounds of muscle in three years, before his shoulder exploded.

One of the guys I caught in HS was drafted by the Reds, and gained twenty pounds of muscle in three years, be fore having his shoulder explode
Sounds like the Reds of the...70's?....had a worse track record with prospys' shoulders than the White Sox of the early 00's
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Old 11-16-2007, 07:21 PM
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When you become a pro athlete, your workout regimen changes just a tad.

I guy I caught in HS was drafted by the Reds, and gained thirty pounds of muscle in three years, before his shoulder exploded.

One of the guys I caught in HS was drafted by the Reds, and gained twenty pounds of muscle in three years, be fore having his shoulder explode
so you're saying we shouldn't look at trading crede or garland or anyone to the reds for any of their minor league arms......got it.
seriously, that's unbelievable though.
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Old 11-16-2007, 07:27 PM
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seriously, that's unbelievable though.
What's unbelievable? That a MLB prospect put on muscle after the age of 18? If so, perhaps you need to look around at what some of the guys in the bigs(or even the high minors) weigh now compared to when they were 18.
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Old 11-16-2007, 07:30 PM
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What's unbelievable? That a MLB prospect put on muscle after the age of 18? If so, perhaps you need to look around at what some of the guys in the bigs(or even the high minors) weigh now compared to when they were 18.
actually......
i was referring to that fact that someone actually caught for these two different people, having both of them drafted by MLB teams, the same team for that matter, they both get huge, and both deteriorate and have really bad injuries. that type of a situation is unfortunate, and not that common.
easy tiger......
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Old 11-16-2007, 07:33 PM
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in the original post, it made it seem like there was 2 people with that same situation (caught for them, drafted, got huge, and shoulder exploded), but it looks like its been edited since then. if it's only 1 person, then yea i can imagine that is pretty common.
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