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Old 07-31-2007, 04:37 PM
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Trevor Ruffin and Rodney Bolton are names that come to mind.
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I believe his name was Bruce Ruffin...at least we got Belcher for a few months for him (there was someone else in that trade...can't recall who offhand).
You're both wrong, it was Johnny Ruffin.
Per baseball-reference.com, he had a craptacular career...several cases of getting signed and released mere months afterward...5 times from 1999-2001.

And it was the immortal Jeff Pierce, again per baseball-reference.com, who went with Ruffin to the Reds for Tim Belcher for the 1993 stretch drive.

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Old 07-31-2007, 06:01 PM
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Honel, we (St.Rita) beat him. Now Pigmentello, we lost to him...he was good and I remember him beating us when he was a sophomore or something.
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Old 07-31-2007, 06:35 PM
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Wasn't there a Johnny Ruffin? Or was he traded to the Reds or something?

Edit: Nevermind already answered.
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Old 07-31-2007, 06:45 PM
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Yet another 'great' pick of failure.......
That really isn't fair. Honel had the stuff. Best curveball out of that draft. Injuries just ruined his career.
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Old 07-31-2007, 06:53 PM
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It just shows how the MLB Draft is much more of a crapshoot than other leagues. For every Jon Garland or Mark Buehrle, there is a Kris Honel or Scott Ruffcorn.
More accurately, for every Mark Buehrle or Jon Garland, there are dozens of Kris Honels. Quite frankly, most guys never make it. The run the Sox had with McDowell, Ventura, Thomas and Fernandez, in conecutive years, is simply amazing. So Kris Honel hung it up....I wish him the best. He's probably not even 25. The have probably drafted 150 pitchers between Honel and 2007. So has every other team.
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Old 07-31-2007, 08:12 PM
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Honel was a cheap and safe (wasn't going to school) 1st round pick if I remember correctly.

I hope JR got something nice with that extra change he saved.
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Old 07-31-2007, 08:27 PM
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Honel was a cheap and safe (wasn't going to school) 1st round pick if I remember correctly.

I hope JR got something nice with that extra change he saved.
That's not true. He was a market-value player expected to go a few picks higher in the draft. It didn't work out, but your comment is not fair.
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Old 07-31-2007, 08:37 PM
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That's not true. He was a market-value player expected to go a few picks higher in the draft. It didn't work out, but your comment is not fair.

are you sure???

I really remember reading that while Honel wasn't a top 10 pitching prospect that he was local and he did agree to a predraft offer....
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Old 07-31-2007, 09:04 PM
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Baseball America conducted a study a few years ago that concluded that out of all the players in the minor leagues only 1% ever get to the major leagues. And of those who do, only a very small percentage ever stick around long enough to make any type of impact.

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Old 07-31-2007, 09:49 PM
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Honel, we (St.Rita) beat him. Now Pigmentello, we lost to him...he was good and I remember him beating us when he was a sophomore or something.
What year did you beat him? 2000? That was our first loss after we slaughtered you a week earlier. Just kidding. Honel lost our first game against you that year when we were #2 in the nation and Pignatiello threw a no hitter that game we beat you that year.
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Old 07-31-2007, 09:58 PM
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Yet another 'great' pick of failure.......

Maybe Honel, Ruffcorn, and Tom Fordham can get together and open up a feed store or hot dog stand.

Honestly, I thought he disappeared a few years ago already.
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Old 07-31-2007, 11:15 PM
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Baseball America conducted a study a few years ago that concluded that out of all the players in the minor leagues only 1% ever get to the major leagues. And of those who do, only a very small percentage ever stick around long enough to make any type of impact.

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I spoke to Jim Callis about this years ago and it's closer to 10%. 1 % is much too low.
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Old 08-01-2007, 12:35 AM
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Baseball America conducted a study a few years ago that concluded that out of all the players in the minor leagues only 1% ever get to the major leagues. And of those who do, only a very small percentage ever stick around long enough to make any type of impact.

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I spoke to Jim Callis about this years ago and it's closer to 10%. 1 % is much too low.
Regardless, I still get my hackles up when I read posts like "I could have told him how much he sucks." It is so ridiculously hard to make it to the Major Leagues. They are so much better at what they do than most of us are at what we do that it's not even open for discussion. Ballplayers who make it to the Majors don't "suck" even if they don't hang on. They are incredibly good; just not good enough.

I've told this on here before, so some of the old-timers will probably be rolling their eyes, but I was a kid in the fifties/early sixties, when everybody played baseball. We had pickup games in empty lots or in the streets all the time. I used to play with a kid named Garry Jestadt who was so much better than the rest of us it was scary. He'd knock the glove off our hands without meaning to, just throwing the ball to a base to make a play on a runner. He was a bench player for the Cubs and Padres in 71-72, and was never heard from again. I know how good Garry Jestadt was.
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Old 08-01-2007, 12:37 AM
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That really isn't fair. Honel had the stuff. Best curveball out of that draft. Injuries just ruined his career.
So, are we supposed to just excuse the selection because he was injured?

Sounds like your making excuses for the failures of the organization.

More first round busts like this in a few years and more than Shaffer will be finding themselves unemployed.
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Old 08-01-2007, 04:10 AM
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So, are we supposed to just excuse the selection because he was injured?

Sounds like your making excuses for the failures of the organization.

More first round busts like this in a few years and more than Shaffer will be finding themselves unemployed.
You're right, how dare they draft someone they knew would get a career ending injury! They should only draft people that WON'T get hurt. I'm amazed no one's thought of that before.

Injuries happen. Get the **** over it.
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