phil rogers at it again...

[JermaineDye05]

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune....esox-headlines

this guy must be hoping for one hell of a bonus, guess he must have swimming pool waiting in the wings. Should be the happ happ happiest christmas since Bing Crosby tap danced with danny f-in K for Rogers.

[Fake Chet Lemon]

I think it's a fair article.

[DeuceUnit]

Very fair. This entire season coming up is one big damn gamble right now.

[cbotnyse]

Any trade is a gamble. I wouldnt call it a "scary leap."

[PaleHoseGeorge]

But don't forget McCarthy went 7-1 with a 1.88 ERA in 16 starts between Triple A and the big leagues in the second half of 2005, including wins at Texas and Boston that helped keep the Sox's wheels on the tracks. During that stretch, there wasn't a pitcher in baseball as consistently good.

It is exactly this sort of selective analysis that makes Phil Rogers the most dangerous -- and silliest -- baseball commentator in Chicago. He gets PAID to write this nonsense.

Anyone who passed even one college-level statistics course could explain why Phil Rogers is full of ****.

I'm sure tomorrow's Cubune is just chocked full of more goodies like this one... I can hardly wait!!!

[ilsox7]

I thought parts of the article were good, but the following is way off, IMO:

On the surface, the McCarthy deal is another part of the Williams/Jerry Reinsdorf plan to replace, rather than re-sign, Buehrle, Garland and Vazquez (along with the recently departed Freddy Garcia) before the 2009 season. This is a despicable plan, not just because it puts economics ahead of competitiveness but because it guarantees that guys who brought a World Series parade to Chicago are going to be leaving town too soon, maybe still in their primes.

If Phil did not notice, Mark and Javy were quite mediocre last year. Jon is already signed for a couple of more years as is Jose. What KW is doing is stockpiling the system so that he can either replace mediocre pitchers with good pitchers or trade prospects for other pieces, if Mark and Javy are no longer mediocre.

As for the whole economics argument, where is his evidence? The Sox are increasing payroll in 2007. What they are NOT doing is spending recklessly on other mediocre baseball players. Some of the contracts this winter are going to haunt teams 3 years from now. The Sox will not have that problem. This paragraph also wreaks of 1985 Bears syndrome. As much as I love the guys who won it all in 2005, that should have no impact on the future of this team. The Sox need to do what's best to win in the future, not appease the memories of 2005.

[julio-cruz]

Yeah, then Dr. Phil goes on in the 'stakes rising for Buehrle article- saying that the Cubs rotation is "set" along with a "deep bullpen". Set at what Phil? Complete mediocrity? Bruce Levine got it right (for once) when he called Phil a tabloid journalist. lol

[MrX]

Originally Posted by ilsox7

If Phil did not notice, Mark and Javy were quite mediocre last year. Jon is already signed for a couple of more years as is Jose. What KW is doing is stockpiling the system so that he can either replace mediocre pitchers with good pitchers or trade prospects for other pieces, if Mark and Javy are no longer mediocre.

That's not short-sighted enough. The obvious way to go is to give huge sums of money to garbage, which in turns raises the price tag of the one good pitcher you have that's a free agent the following year and cripples your franchise for the foreseeable future.

[DrCrawdad]

Originally Posted by JermaineDye05

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune....esox-headlines

this guy must be hoping for one hell of a bonus, guess he must have swimming pool waiting in the wings. Should be the happ happ happiest christmas since Bing Crosby tap danced with danny f-in K for Rogers.

Phil's article needs this photo...

[DrCrawdad]

Originally Posted by ilsox7

I thought parts of the article were good, but the following is way off, IMO:



If Phil did not notice, Mark and Javy were quite mediocre last year. Jon is already signed for a couple of more years as is Jose. What KW is doing is stockpiling the system so that he can either replace mediocre pitchers with good pitchers or trade prospects for other pieces, if Mark and Javy are no longer mediocre.

As for the whole economics argument, where is his evidence? The Sox are increasing payroll in 2007. What they are NOT doing is spending recklessly on other mediocre baseball players. Some of the contracts this winter are going to haunt teams 3 years from now. The Sox will not have that problem. This paragraph also wreaks of 1985 Bears syndrome. As much as I love the guys who won it all in 2005, that should have no impact on the future of this team. The Sox need to do what's best to win in the future, not appease the memories of 2005.

VERY WELL SAID!

THANK-YOU!!!

[UserNameBlank]

Originally Posted by PaleHoseGeorge

It is exactly this sort of selective analysis that makes Phil Rogers the most dangerous -- and silliest -- baseball commentator in Chicago. He gets PAID to write this nonsense.

Anyone who passed even one college-level statistics course could explain why Phil Rogers is full of ****.

I'm sure tomorrow's Cubune is just chocked full of more goodies like this one... I can hardly wait!!!

True, and he's not the only sportswriter who has been heavily critical of KW's moves this offseason.

That said, two years from now everyone here might be agreeing with him. It is more likely that Garcia and McCarthy have good major league seasons next year than it is for Gio/Danks/Broadway/Heager/Phillips/Sisco etc.

While none of these moves can really be judged for at least two years or so, if these guys turn out to be busts this offseason will be the type that keeps Sox fans from showing up to the park over the next 3-5 years. Very, very risky moves by KW.

[DrCrawdad]

Originally Posted by julio-cruz

Yeah, then Dr. Phil goes on in the 'stakes rising for Buehrle article- saying that the Cubs rotation is "set" along with a "deep bullpen". Set at what Phil? Complete mediocrity? Bruce Levine got it right (for once) when he called Phil a tabloid journalist. lol

It's gotta hurt when a writer from VineLine calls you a tabloid journalist.

[JackParkman]

In some ways, the article is a fair analysis of the deal. The Sox obviously are taking a risk here that the unknown potential of Danks will eventually pay greater dividends than the known ability of McCarthy.

Where it becomes complete cr*p, however, is when Phil implies that the real reason for the deal wasn't baseball or economics, but rather that Kenny is "scared" of McCarthy's candor.
Sure, Phil. Nothing frightens Kenny Williams more than the words of one Brandon McCarthy.

[ilsox7]

Originally Posted by JackParkman

In some ways, the article is a fair analysis of the deal. The Sox obviously are taking a risk here that the unknown potential of Danks will eventually pay greater dividends than the known ability of McCarthy.

How is McCarthy's ability known? What do you base that on? And what do you consider McCarthy's ability to be? (All serious inquiries)

[PaleHoseGeorge]

Originally Posted by JackParkman

In some ways, the article is a fair analysis of the deal. The Sox obviously are taking a risk here that the unknown potential of Danks will eventually pay greater dividends than the known ability of McCarthy.

Where it becomes complete cr*p, however, is when Phil implies that the real reason for the deal wasn't baseball or economics, but rather that Kenny is "scared" of McCarthy's candor.
Sure, Phil. Nothing frightens Kenny Williams more than the words of one Brandon McCarthy.

You're being way too generous to both McCarthy and Rogers.

The "known ability" of McCarthy was that he didn't like pitching out of the bullpen, didn't do it very well, and sometimes pitched well when given a start. He also didn't throw as many strikes as he should.

Rogers "implied" nothing about the real reason Williams traded McCarthy. He flat-out states, "[McCarthy] is a guy who will say what is on his mind, and that made him something of a square peg for the Reinsdorfian round hole."

Time to call a spade a spade. McCarthy, true to his youth, was inconsistent. Rogers, true to his bosses, is casting this trade in the worst light possible. He had more complimentary things to say about $21 million spent on Jason Marquis!