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Old 07-24-2006, 10:49 PM
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I know this will bring on some heat toward me and as a huge Ozzie supporter but I think he has been a huge problem during this funk. I mean what has he done besides making a mountain out of a molehill with his best pitcher. Now today he doesn't take Vasquez out in time for the second straight start. It just doesn't seem like he is doing his job the best he can. He seems to be worried about the wrong things.
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Old 07-24-2006, 10:50 PM
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Old 07-24-2006, 10:58 PM
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He may be making a few errors lately, but you can hardly say he has been the problem during this rough patch. I can think of a few things that are the problems though, like eratic pitching, very untimely hitting, and lack of baserunners when the big blast does come. Top that with noting going our way (except that awful call at the plate tonight in our favor which didn't matter like 2 mins later) and that would explain the problems. Anybody know the last time anyone stole a base??
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Old 07-24-2006, 10:59 PM
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While I do think he's overmanaging a bit, he is not the reason for the free fall...

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Old 07-24-2006, 10:59 PM
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I am not saying that. All I am saying is I do not think he is doing a good job currrently as manager. I know the players have to execute but it does not seem he is doing anything to help that. I am not saying he is to blame, I am saying he should keep his priorities straight when a team is in a funk like this.

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Old 07-24-2006, 11:14 PM
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I am not saying that. All I am saying is I do not think he is doing a good job currrently as manager. I know the players have to execute but it does not seem he is doing anything to help that.
Let me preface by saying I have been a strong believer that Ozzie was the best thing to happen to this club in a long time.

However....I agree he is totally worried about the wrong things, like who is going to retalite for hit batsmen, over-doing the whole bunting practice to embarrass the guys, etc...

Last year his "take" on things was to have fun, have fun, stay loose, pick each other up and that worked. This year he seems to negative about everything and NOONE appears to be having any fun anymore.
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Old 07-24-2006, 11:20 PM
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Ozzie is not THE reason we are free-falling... but he is part of the problem. He has to understand his pitcher's limits and manage around them. We have a bullpen for a reason... its about time we used it BEFORE we were in a hole, and not after.
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Old 07-24-2006, 11:24 PM
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It's easy to manage when your winning. Last year Ozzie didn't have to do much because we were in first from day one. I think he needs to get into the game more and no the limits of his pitchers.
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Old 07-24-2006, 11:24 PM
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I think some of the blame falls on the whole coaching staff, not just Ozzie.

Cora has made some mental mistakes at third this year, however I don't really mind the aggressiveness most of the time.

But where is Cooper's magic? Our pitching is the biggest problem right now and it seems like they are making simple mistakes like throwing balls up in the strike zone and keeping them out there too long (although that falls on Ozzie).

However, I'm certainly not calling for anyone's head. They have time to turn this around.
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Old 07-24-2006, 11:26 PM
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Old 07-24-2006, 11:31 PM
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Let me preface by saying I have been a strong believer that Ozzie was the best thing to happen to this club in a long time.

However....I agree he is totally worried about the wrong things, like who is going to retalite for hit batsmen, over-doing the whole bunting practice to embarrass the guys, etc...

Last year his "take" on things was to have fun, have fun, stay loose, pick each other up and that worked. This year he seems to negative about everything and NOONE appears to be having any fun anymore.
It "appears" that way, because they're losing. If they were winning, everything would be a-okay. I think that's a load of bull****...yes, they're struggling right now, but this team is still loose. They're in a slump, that doesn't mean they aren't playing hard, or with any heart...they're struggling.

Don't start pointing fingers, it's ridiculous...people are freaking out, but guess what? It's still July, so save your sanity for September when, if they're playing this bad then, you can freak out. Right now, just relax, they'll get out of this thing and start playing better ball. Maybe some of you should have some fun and go through the ups and downs of a season.
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Old 07-24-2006, 11:34 PM
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I think Ozzie is at fault in two areas, and I said this from the beginning.

1. He tries to imitate Tony LaRussa with this constant matchup garbage. Many times it completely blows up in his face. If you've got a pitcher that you believe in, let him get the guys out. If he's a quality guy he can get out BOTH left handers AND right handers. My God until the 80's this was S.O.P. in MLB.

2. It's hard for a player who may be getting 'hot' to stay in that groove when he's constantly getting sat for a game or two. You hit well for three or four games, then you sit?

I understand having to keep guys fresh for September but Ozzie also needs to understand that if the Sox don't pull out of this funk, slump, whatever you want to call it, the games in September won't mean squat.

They need wins now, right now, immediately...they are in no position to 'worry' about September.

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Old 07-24-2006, 11:41 PM
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I'm a huge Ozzie supporter as well, but I definitely think he could manage his pitching better, both the starters and in the bullpen. In the bullpen, he has too much faith in righty-righty matchups and vice versa. He also thinks that our starting rotation is as good as it was last year, when it becomes clearer by the day that it is most definitely not. He's gotta realize that it's ok to pull a guy after 5 innings even if he's still pitching ok. It seems like our starters always stick around 1 inning, or even 1 batter too long. He may be just freaking out a little during this funk, trying to do whatever he can to help.
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Old 07-24-2006, 11:46 PM
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He needs to learn pronto that Vazquez can't get through the opposing team's batting order three times, and take that piece of trash out before he blows the lead like he does every start.
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Old 07-24-2006, 11:46 PM
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I'm a huge Ozzie supporter as well, but I definitely think he could manage his pitching better, both the starters and in the bullpen. In the bullpen, he has too much faith in righty-righty matchups and vice versa. He also thinks that our starting rotation is as good as it was last year, when it becomes clearer by the day that it is most definitely not. He's gotta realize that it's ok to pull a guy after 5 innings even if he's still pitching ok. It seems like our starters always stick around 1 inning, or even 1 batter too long. He may be just freaking out a little during this funk, trying to do whatever he can to help.
Ozzie manages a lot for stats. He won't pull the guy because he thinks the offense might come back and get the starter off the hook and get the win.
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