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Old 06-01-2006, 09:08 AM
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Default Corey Patterson doing well. Why?

Last year's Cubs goat Corey Patterson has been playing really well lately.

He's batting around .290 with about 7-8 homeruns. His OBP is around .340. Corey's also swiped 19 bases and has been playing stellar center field.

What's behind his resurgence? Is it the change of scenery? The change in coaching staff? Or is it a little of both.

Personally, I think the Cubs put way too many expectations on his and tried to get him to play the game in a way which wasn't suited for him.

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Old 06-01-2006, 09:44 AM
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He sucked with the Cubs because they didn't know what they were doing with him. He is not a leadoff hitter, but they insisted he hit leadoff. That is not his style of play. I can understand them trying him out there, but if it isn't working, it isn't working. They just had no clue with him. And it was apparent he had talent. Now it shows.
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Old 06-01-2006, 09:49 AM
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He always showed he had talent especially the year he got hurt around the All-Star break. I think he just couldnt handle the expectations that the Cubs had for him, and the media glare here. Now in Baltimore there really is not great pressure to produce like it was here and hes just flying under the radar finally enjoying himself while he plays.
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Old 06-01-2006, 09:59 AM
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Murph was talking about this yesterday with the Orioles beat writer. He said the biggest thing was consistency. Patterson receives hitting coaching from the head hitting coach only. None of the assistants coach him. He also bast 7th or 8th exclusively. The Orioles felt the biggest part of the problem before was lack of confidence due to getting pulled in too many directions. The Cubs batted him all over in the lineup and everyone was giving him "advice". The Orioles have set up that comfortable, consistent routine and they are reaping the benefits (at least for now anyway).

I'm sure all the booing he had to face while on the Cubs didn't help either.
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Old 06-01-2006, 10:04 AM
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Last year's Cubs goat Corey Patterson has been playing really well lately.

He's batting around .290 with about 7-8 homeruns. His OBP is around .340. Corey's also swiped 19 bases and has been playing stellar center field.

What's behind his resurgence? Is it the change of scenery? The change in coaching staff? Or is it a little of both.

Personally, I think the Cubs put way too many expectations on his and tried to get him to play the game in a way which wasn't suited for him.

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You basically said it.

I think having the pressure off is probably helping him. I think coaching might be a bigger factor, though. The Cubs never really worked with Patterson. They tried to make him into a leadoff hitter, despite the fact that his game isn't suited to being a leadoff hitter. Now the Orioles have put Patterson near the bottom of the lineup and let him play his game, so it's not surprising that he is hitting. He has always had the tools to be a successful major leaguer, but he was never really developed.
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Old 06-01-2006, 10:33 AM
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You basically said it.

I think having the pressure off is probably helping him. I think coaching might be a bigger factor, though. The Cubs never really worked with Patterson. They tried to make him into a leadoff hitter, despite the fact that his game isn't suited to being a leadoff hitter. Now the Orioles have put Patterson near the bottom of the lineup and let him play his game, so it's not surprising that he is hitting. He has always had the tools to be a successful major leaguer, but he was never really developed.
Also, the guys crosstown who tried to teach him to be a leadoff hitter have no demonstrable experience in producing anyone with those kinds of skills. Top to bottom, their lineup lacks the ability to bunt, run, move runners over, work the pitcher, etc. So it might have been human nature for Patterson to feel he was being unfairly singled out for that kind of attention.

It's why the Bulls were right to jettison Tim Thomas, even though he became a contributor with Phoenix. If you're holding the team to a certain standard of good fundamentals, having someone there who ignores those fundamentals will have a corrosive effect on the whole team. Last year, Patterson was surrounded by people who ignored the fundamentals. Something tells me he has responded this year to being in a place where the basic skills are expected. It's called "The American League."

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Old 06-01-2006, 11:14 AM
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I probably should just leave this thread right now...but I'm not!

Cuz he's amazing..I liked Corey Patterson. He was the only guy I liked on the Cubs, other than Jerry Hairston.
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Old 06-01-2006, 11:17 AM
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He was touted as a "five-tool player". That may end up being true after all.

Hope he kicks a lot of Yankee and Red Sox ass this summer.
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Old 06-01-2006, 11:59 AM
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Cub fans and management don't understand the concept of developing players. You have a solid season in the minors, next thing you know you're the 2nd coming of Babe Ruth and Rickey Henderson put together. They rush them to the majors and expect .310 30 100 with 30 stolen bases from every "5-tool-player". If you play anywhere below your potential in your first 100 at bats, you are a failure. "Trade him" they say. I don't know how many times I've heard that phrase from Cub fans. "We just need to trade that guy". Yeah, because your coaches suck.
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Old 06-01-2006, 12:51 PM
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I probably should just leave this thread right now...but I'm not!

Cuz he's amazing..I liked Corey Patterson. He was the only guy I liked on the Cubs, other than Jerry Hairston.
Well now you are down to zero (in case you haven't heard - Hairston was traded for Nevin).

Dusty has no patience for young players. Patterson has the talent but he had one bad season (partially due to injury) and will turn 26 this year - far too young to give up on a player:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/patteco01.shtml

Something to think about when people want to rip Brian Anderson who is 24 this year.

I picked up Patterson in my Yahoo leagues and I am a very happy camper!!!
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Old 06-01-2006, 12:55 PM
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Is there some kind of philosophy against bunting on the North Side?

I always wondered why Corey didn't try to get more bunt singles.

Pierre doesn't seem to be trying to get them nearly as much as he had in the past.

Also, I find it ironic that they got rid of a "lead off" guy that didn't walk enough and replaced him with a lead off guy that doesn't walk a lot.
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Old 06-01-2006, 01:09 PM
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Cub fans and management don't understand the concept of developing players. You have a solid season in the minors, next thing you know you're the 2nd coming of Babe Ruth and Rickey Henderson put together. They rush them to the majors and expect .310 30 100 with 30 stolen bases from every "5-tool-player". If you play anywhere below your potential in your first 100 at bats, you are a failure. "Trade him" they say. I don't know how many times I've heard that phrase from Cub fans. "We just need to trade that guy". Yeah, because your coaches suck.
There's a reason why Felix Pie has been mentioned more times in the past two months than Paul Konerko. Prospects have the chance to be better than the players you're putting out on the field. As shocking as this seems to us Sox fans, Cub fans and management will do or want anything to see their team improve. That's why Patterson was brought up too early, and that's why the Cubs will continue to rush players (I don't know about Pie, he could be ready by now but I'm not following him).

Patterson had so many holes in his swing last year you or I could've struck him out. Obviously because he isn't drawing many walks, he must have fixed up his swing to get his avg/obp as solid as they are; reportedly he's shortened it up a ton and they just want him to be a line-drive hitter.

That, combined with what was always plus defense out in CF makes for a solid player. Shock.

Give him time though, he's only been playing like this for about a month.
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Old 06-01-2006, 01:17 PM
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Coaching coaching and coaching. He's got it now. I'm not going through the list but how many cubs left the team only to have productive careers with other teams? If Dontrelle doesn't get traded to Marlins and Garland to the White Sox, I guarantee you wouldn't even know who they are today.
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Old 06-01-2006, 05:55 PM
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There was an article in the trib I think a few days ago where he credited Lee Elia and Thom Trebblehorn of all people with helping him improve. I just find that humorous.

I always thought he had the talent to be a late in the lineup 6-7-8-9 hitter because he can drive in runs and has a decent amount of power. The cubs just had this fetish for speed players at the top of the order, which they still have, regardless of the type of bat the player wields.

I thought if they left him alone he could be a player a lot like Jacque Jones ironically enough. And actually this year that's what he seems to be, a much faster version of jones with better defense.
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Old 06-01-2006, 10:28 PM
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Patterson is on fire. hes still batting .291 tonight he had a hit,1 RBI, BB,SO, and 2SB, that makes it 20SB/1CS
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