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Old 01-31-2006, 01:08 PM
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Default Marlins make us want to puke

They like the Northside.

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Old 01-31-2006, 01:12 PM
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Hialeah makes Uptown look like Glencoe.....

Samson, Robaina said, described Hialeah as a ''vibrant city,'' with ''established neighborhoods,'' much like the northside of Chicago, where the Cubs play.
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Old 01-31-2006, 01:14 PM
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Hialeah makes Uptown look like Glencoe.....
I'm not from Illinois, is that good or bad?
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Old 01-31-2006, 01:18 PM
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I'm not from Illinois, is that good or bad?
The racetrack closed because gamblers were afraid to go there. It is not a good area
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Old 01-31-2006, 01:22 PM
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The racetrack closed because gamblers were afraid to go there. It is not a good area
So, in terms I can relate to, it's like parts of Gary IN.
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Old 01-31-2006, 02:05 PM
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So, in terms I can relate to, it's like parts of Gary IN.
let's just say the boom of Dade County hasn't arrived there yet

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Old 01-31-2006, 02:08 PM
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They like the Northside.
Here's the thing, the idea of a ballpark surrounded by restaurants and bars is not in and of itself at all a bad idea. The problem with Wrigleyville is the people who go to the games. The thing is that generally nowadays you would have to artifically create the neighborhood, as opposed to the Cubs who got lucky that they had the area grow around it. I say this because there's no way you could ever get a park built now without 15,000 parking spots allocated for it. And those tend to kill off the immediate neighborhood feel.
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Old 01-31-2006, 02:14 PM
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Marlins president David Samson isnt too smart is he? He wants to model his new ballpark after a much-hyped museum that fills with brainless Sheep who drink too much and want to see the Sun. NICE GOING Samson.

Figures the spot theyve got in mind was the former Peerless Dade County Landfill. Build a replica of a Dump on the site of a former Dump. Ahhh the irony.
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Old 01-31-2006, 02:36 PM
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Marlins president David Samson isnt too smart is he? He wants to model his new ballpark after a much-hyped museum that fills with brainless Sheep who drink too much and want to see the Sun. NICE GOING Samson.
Let me see...

He wants to build a stadium which guarantees large revenue streams no matter what? Wouldn't that guarantee the right to spend big money on the team all the time - you know sort of like the flubbies for the past 5 years or so? Wouldn't that in turn increase the teams chances of winning?

Just because the flubbies don't spend wisely and over value the minor league talent they do develop doesn't mean it's a bad business model - at least the first part of it (increase revenue by building a ballpark that people visit regardless of how good the team is).
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Old 01-31-2006, 04:24 PM
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Let me see...

He wants to build a stadium which guarantees large revenue streams no matter what? Wouldn't that guarantee the right to spend big money on the team all the time - you know sort of like the flubbies for the past 5 years or so? Wouldn't that in turn increase the teams chances of winning?

Just because the flubbies don't spend wisely and over value the minor league talent they do develop doesn't mean it's a bad business model - at least the first part of it (increase revenue by building a ballpark that people visit regardless of how good the team is).
You make some good points, however, the only problem with that business model is not all fanbases buy into the whole "if you build us a nice ballpark, we will come" mentality. Miller Park, Comerica Park, and PNC Park are three beautiful modern ballparks that don't play to capacity crowds because the teams have largely been mediocre at best. Even established new ballparks that once packed the place like Jacobs Field and Camden Yards have shown some chinks in the armor as the teams became less competitive in recent years. The fans there are tired of the losing and won't flock to the ballpark as a destination if the team is dreadful. I believe Wrigley and Fenway are unique in this regard.

The other flaw in adopting the Wrigley business model is that one of the things that makes the park a destination is the fact that, regardless of what we Sox fans think, Wrigley is one of 3 "classic" ballparks still standing so it is an architectural curiousity and a destination for baseball fans nationwide. It is doubtful that fans around the league will flock to a new Marlins ballpark in droves just because it looks nice. It won't have any historical significance like a Wrigley or Fenway so it won't be a draw by itself.
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Old 01-31-2006, 04:30 PM
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It is doubtful that fans around the league will flock to a new Marlins ballpark in droves just because it looks nice.
Fans around the league? They have won 2 World Series in their short history and can not get South Florida fans to show up. It is a bad baseball town

Denver which was the most acceoted of the expansion teams as far as support ( even more than Phoenix ) has been stuck with a woeful team.

I am not sure Pittsburgh can ever be a baseball town as they didn't draw well even in the late 70's and early 90's when they were contending. Remember it was ATLANTA fans ( ironic ) that filled Three Rivers for the playoffs. Pittsburgh is a football town first, and maybe more of a hockey town. The Pirates are just there.
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Old 01-31-2006, 04:33 PM
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Who can blame the Marlins for wanting to emulate Wrigley? Some of that club's best moments came on the north side. ;)
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Old 01-31-2006, 04:37 PM
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I am not sure Pittsburgh can ever be a baseball town as they didn't draw well even in the late 70's and early 90's when they were contending. Remember it was ATLANTA fans ( ironic ) that filled Three Rivers for the playoffs. Pittsburgh is a football town first, and maybe more of a hockey town. The Pirates are just there.
True enough, however, Three Rivers was not a great ballpark as I understand it and even though PNC is beautiful, the Pirates have been god awful since beginning play at that park. It would be interesting to see if the Pirates ever become contenders one day (hold the laughter), if the city of Pittsburgh would fill up PNC.
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Old 01-31-2006, 04:44 PM
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I am not thrilled that the Red Sox are trying to make the area around Fenway Park into an East Coast version of Wrigleyville ( and they have admitted that is the model they are following )

They now have a year round sportsbar where the bowling alley was

ESPN was supposed to go in there and then the Red Sox decided they didn't need to pay for the name

http://gameonboston.com/

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Old 01-31-2006, 05:28 PM
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Who can blame the Marlins for wanting to emulate Wrigley? Some of that club's best moments came on the north side. ;)
True, very true
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