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Old 02-14-2005, 08:25 PM
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Canseco: Hey, does this crap make you want to buy my book?

http://www.suntimes.com/output/roepe...ws-roep14.html

No, not steroids; Frank is just apparently scared of driving fast.

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"I've never in my whole life seen a big guy look so scared. . . . He [Thomas] was just white, stone-cold white -- which is kind of unusual for a black man."
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Old 02-14-2005, 08:33 PM
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I find it significant that Canseco apparently hasn't named any Sox players as steroid users in his book. It seems like he named players from every other team he's played for, except maybe the D'Rays.
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Old 02-14-2005, 08:35 PM
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I find it significant that Canseco apparently hasn't named any Sox players as steroid users in his book. It seems like he named players from every other team he's played for, except maybe the D'Rays.
He names 3 Devil Rays, I believe.
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Old 02-14-2005, 08:38 PM
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http://www.suntimes.com/output/roepe...ws-roep14.html

No, not steroids; Frank is just apparently scared of driving fast.
The title is a bit misleading in light of the current events, don't you think?
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Old 02-14-2005, 09:01 PM
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I would be scared too if a roided out freak was driving that speed.
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Old 02-14-2005, 09:08 PM
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According to Canseco, Baker was a legendary party animal before he became a father-figure manager; Giambi was a Hall of Fame womanizer; Thomas was scared senseless by a high-speed highway adventure; Grace was a proponent of sleeping with unattractive women to break hitting slumps, and McGwire regularly called reporters "******s."
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Old 02-14-2005, 09:22 PM
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i just heard that on 780 AM. didnt they say "wouldnt anybody be scared driving that fast?"
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Old 02-14-2005, 10:00 PM
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Wilson Alvarez? Now I've heard everything...
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Old 02-14-2005, 10:11 PM
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Wilson Alvarez? Now I've heard everything...
Supposedly Alvarez always had weight problems and wanted to lose some so he "consulted" Canseco about it.
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Old 02-14-2005, 10:23 PM
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In my opinion the burden of proof is on Canseco and therefore I am going to assume that all of his allegations are false until proven otherwise, or in the case of Giambi if proof surfaces by other means. As far as I'm concerned he's just trying to sell a book by creating as much controversy as he possibly can. This would be more consistant with his character than as a "whistleblower looking to save baseball from the evils of steroids."
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Old 02-14-2005, 11:01 PM
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In my opinion the burden of proof is on Canseco and therefore I am going to assume that all of his allegations are false until proven otherwise, or in the case of Giambi if proof surfaces by other means. As far as I'm concerned he's just trying to sell a book by creating as much controversy as he possibly can. This would be more consistant with his character than as a "whistleblower looking to save baseball from the evils of steroids."
I'm gonna go on the polar opposite end of that argument. I have no reason to doubt him and believe pretty much everything he says. People named in his book are guilty until proven innocent in my mind.
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Old 02-14-2005, 11:04 PM
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I'm gonna go on the polar opposite end of that argument. I have no reason to doubt him and believe pretty much everything he says. People named in his book are guilty until proven innocent in my mind.
I agree. It is painfully obvious that this book was made for Canseco to make money, no question. The content in the book is all true, IMO. The one motive that no one really talks about as to why he wrote the book is the fact that although he took steroids for most of his career, he wasn't able to reach the stats that guys like Bonds and McGwire did. This made Canseco really jealous and it was another motivating factor for him, to highlight there use of steroids as a way to downplay anything they ever accomplished.
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Old 02-14-2005, 11:55 PM
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Under the circumstances, unless and until McGwire, Bonds, et al start filing slander and libel suits against Canseco, I'm gonna believe his side of the story. The weak denials from the accused seem half-hearted, as it seems that they just want the story to go away and fighting the charges will just keep them in the public eye longer.

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Old 02-15-2005, 12:13 AM
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Under the circumstances, unless and until McGwire, Bonds, et al start filing slander and libel suits against Canseco, I'm gonna believe his side of the story. The weak denials from the accused seem half-hearted, as it seems that they just want the story to go away and fighting the charges will just keep them in the public eye longer.

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First of all, a libel case under these circumstances is unwinnable. The player would have to prove that:

A) Canseco was flat out lying. That couldn't be proved by the player's testimony or testimony of others saying "I never saw him take steroids." Since there are no tests that can tell if a player EVER used steroids, it is legally impossible to prove they were never used.

B) Libel also implies malice. It must be proved that Canseco lied about the players with the intent to hurt them and/or diminish their reputation.

Most importantly, if anyone did sue him, it would be the next "trial of the century". It would draw much much more attention to the situation than already has been. It's not worth it.
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Old 02-15-2005, 12:32 AM
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I find it significant that Canseco apparently hasn't named any Sox players as steroid users in his book. It seems like he named players from every other team he's played for, except maybe the D'Rays.
Except himself. I assume he was on the stuff while he was in a White Sox uniform for...two years was it? One and a half? He was a disappointment.
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