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Old 02-02-2005, 03:14 PM
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Yup. I've had this exact same conversation with a Cubs fan friend. He woulda won more games if he had decent bullpen support. He woulda won more games if he had decent run support. He woulda won more games if the defense didn't let him down. It's always some excuse. I've started calling him Kerry Woulda.
Kerry Woulda, haha. Nice one.

Kerry Woulda Shoulda, didn't. It basically describes the career of this guy. How is he different than Garland? His highest win total was FOURTEEN!!! The only difference is that he is a power pitcher, therefore his K total, BAA, and ERA are down, however he still can't win 15 games. Oh, I forgot. Playing for the Cubs is an instant pass into the HOF. Wood is the 3rd, possibly 4th starter in the Sox rotation.
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Old 02-02-2005, 05:00 PM
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Please tell me you are going to defend a statement such as Garland is as good as Kerry Wood(s).
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Old 02-02-2005, 05:14 PM
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You had respect for Bruce LeVineLine?
Exactly. I never had any respect for him, and I'm sure there are many people who felt the same way.
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Old 02-02-2005, 05:15 PM
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So whose starting pitching do you like better 1-5, the Sox or the Cubs?


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Is that even a question? The Sox.
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Old 02-02-2005, 06:06 PM
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Levine is right again as always:

Hairston = Ramirez
Patterson = Damon
Barrett or even Blanco > Varitek
Todd Walker is at least as good as Ortiz, but probably at least 3x better


He's out of his mind. There's very little on the Cubs that can be compared to that murderer's row of last years Red Sox.

you know who has one hell of a lineup 1 thru 9

The White Sox thats who!!!!

everyone in our lineup can hit.

its not the redsox, but i think we are pretty loaded
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Old 02-02-2005, 11:49 PM
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"The team has more holes than Hickory Hills CC."

I can't believe anyone would reference HHC to anything. I used to have to play there for high school golf. Saying anything is as holey as that place says a lot.
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Old 02-03-2005, 12:05 AM
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Please tell me you are going to defend a statement such as Garland is as good as Kerry Wood(s).
Jon Garland 162 game averages:
Win/Loss: 11-12
ERA: 4.68 (in the AL)

Kerry Wood 162 game averages:
Win/Loss: 13-10
ERA: 3.63 (in the NL)

I'd say they are both consistently average. Woods is a little better, yes. But Garland is less injury prone. Wood is a 3, 4, MAYBE even 5 on the Sox staff. Of course that's assuming Contreras and Hernandez win between 12-15 games.

I got the numbers from baseball-reference.com
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Old 02-03-2005, 12:09 AM
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Jon Garland 162 game averages:
Win/Loss: 11-12
ERA: 4.68 (in the AL)

Kerry Wood 162 game averages:
Win/Loss: 13-10
ERA: 3.63 (in the NL)

I'd say they are both consistently average. Woods is a little better, yes. But Garland is less injury prone. Wood is a 3, 4, MAYBE even 5 on the Sox staff. Of course that's assuming Contreras and Hernandez win between 12-15 games.

I got the numbers from baseball-reference.com
Are you not looking at the ERA's or something? Kerry Woods is as injury-prone as they come but when healthy, he is a better pitcher than Garland. That is unquestionable.
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Old 02-03-2005, 12:56 AM
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Have you heard about comparing AL ERAs to NL ERAs? The way I usually hear it is to add a run to NL ERAs or subtract a run from AL ERAs.
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Old 02-03-2005, 12:58 AM
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"The team has more holes than Hickory Hills CC."

I can't believe anyone would reference HHC to anything. I used to have to play there for high school golf. Saying anything is as holey as that place says a lot.
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Old 02-03-2005, 01:07 AM
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Have you heard about comparing AL ERAs to NL ERAs? The way I usually hear it is to add a run to NL ERAs or subtract a run from AL ERAs.
Yes, but I don't think you subtract a whole 1.05 from the player's ERA to account for having to face a DH instead of facing a pitcher.
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Old 02-03-2005, 01:21 AM
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Overrated Pitching? Prior has undeniable 20 win ability. Zambrano received Cy Young votes last year. Maddux just keeps on winning 15 or more games a year. Wood is the ace of a lot of teams.

I think that lineup will be bad this year but the starting pitching staff is very, very good.
The starters are solid, no doubts there, but that bullpen will be their undoing.

Wood can't go deep enough into games to win 20 with this bullpen. Leaving in the 6th or 7th inning and handing the ball to Stephen Randolph (lol) or Kyle Farnsworth (lol again) is like playing Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun.
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Old 02-03-2005, 07:24 AM
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I was watching Comcast Sportsnight, and they had Levine on talking about the Cubs signing Burnitz. When they showed a possibly lineup, he said "this line-up is just like the line-up of the 2004 Red Sox." I am lucky I wasnt drinking anything at the time, because I would have spit it all over the TV. What an absolute joke. The Flubs line-up is maybe half as good as the powerful Red Sox last year. Its not even close. He then went on to explain that they wont strike out alot (BS) will have a very high OBP (BS) and that they are loaded with power (once again, BS).
Wow. He really said that? I know last night on tha radio, he was defending Sammy. This shouldn't surprise anyone. He is an admitted Cub fan. Just listening to him last season on the MJ&H show, when they would talk about the Sox, he would grudgingly give them some credit. But when they would talk about the Cubs, he would give glowing reports. I still like him. He does seem to have some good insider info. But that's where it ends for me. THeir lineup as good as the Red Sox lineup? Is he high?
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Old 02-03-2005, 08:47 AM
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Yes, but I don't think you subtract a whole 1.05 from the player's ERA to account for having to face a DH instead of facing a pitcher.
The actual difference is about 0.5 run/game.
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Old 02-03-2005, 08:52 AM
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Have you heard about comparing AL ERAs to NL ERAs? The way I usually hear it is to add a run to NL ERAs or subtract a run from AL ERAs.

I thought it was half a run.



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