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Old 01-29-2005, 12:19 AM
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If you were a heck of a ball player expecting the team that you have been with for the majority of your career to reward you for what you have done, would you look elswhere when they lowball you?

Naturally, all of us would play for the league minimum even if we were all stars- so long it was with the Sox. But if you were not a fan of any team growing up, currently working for a team that has a history of burning every bridge possible when it comes to superstars, what would make you want to stick around?

Fisk, Robbin, even the Oz are just a few of the players that were run out of town by the Sox brass (JR). How can every be so down on a greedy Mags? Old timers, hasn't this been the story with just about every big name player that has walked since at least the JR era?
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Old 01-29-2005, 12:32 AM
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Maggs wasn't lowballed. He was offered way more than what he'll get with whatever contract he signs and he turned it down.
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Old 01-29-2005, 12:45 AM
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What was it they claimed to have offered him? 15 per for 4 years? No differed money, IIRC. He wanted 17 per year for 5, right? Not exactly a slap in the face but when you think about the history of JR's schemes I find it hard to believe that they acually offered what they claimed to.
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Old 01-29-2005, 01:03 AM
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KW is pretty good to his word
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Old 01-29-2005, 01:05 AM
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It's not just a Sox thing. Believe me, this happens everywhere. Look at any team where a big name free agent leaves the team. The player is always called greedy, etc. while people wish bad things on him. I remember reading an Astros board during the Beltran deadline. Before the deadline all the posts were along the lines of, "Come on Carlos, come back to Houston! We love you here and you'll have a great future here." Minutes after the deadline passed and Beltran couldn't go back to the Astros, the very same people were saying, "Beltran's a greedy pig! I hope he blows out his knee. I hope he does awful in New York!" It happens everywhere, regardless of how long the player has been on a team, what he has done for the team, how good of a person he is, etc.
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Old 01-29-2005, 01:18 AM
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If you were a heck of a ball player expecting the team that you have been with for the majority of your career to reward you for what you have done, would you look elswhere when they lowball you?

Naturally, all of us would play for the league minimum even if we were all stars- so long it was with the Sox. But if you were not a fan of any team growing up, currently working for a team that has a history of burning every bridge possible when it comes to superstars, what would make you want to stick around?

Fisk, Robbin, even the Oz are just a few of the players that were run out of town by the Sox brass (JR). How can every be so down on a greedy Mags? Old timers, hasn't this been the story with just about every big name player that has walked since at least the JR era?
Maggs wasn't lowballed at all, deferred money or not he got more then a fair offer. For me my dislike for maggs is because he left badmouthing the sox and their organization, if he didn't want to be here...fine but not need to bad mouth the organization, imo he's a grade A a-hole and I hope he rots away in Detroit or wherever he ends up.
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Old 01-29-2005, 01:30 AM
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Because, when is enough enough?

These guys are offered more for one year than the fans will make in their lifetimes, and they feel "insulted" by the offer.

I live in Minnesota. I've just lived through listening to Sprewell talking about how he has to feed his family on $14 million a year.

Athletes are entitled to whatever they can get paid. They aren't entitled to have our support for their ever increasing demands.
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Old 01-29-2005, 01:38 AM
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Because, when is enough enough?

These guys are offered more for one year than the fans will make in their lifetimes, and they feel "insulted" by the offer.

I live in Minnesota. I've just lived through listening to Sprewell talking about how he has to feed his family on $14 million a year.

Athletes are entitled to whatever they can get paid. They aren't entitled to have our support for their ever increasing demands.
I agree about the overpaying, but I don't think that is the issue here. I was reffering to the club turning it's back on a player that was a fan favorite. Not just Mags but the other players who have left the team feeling bitten. IE: Fisk wearing a Red Sox cap at the HOF.
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Old 01-29-2005, 01:46 AM
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If you were a heck of a ball player expecting the team that you have been with for the majority of your career to reward you for what you have done, would you look elswhere when they lowball you?

Naturally, all of us would play for the league minimum even if we were all stars- so long it was with the Sox. But if you were not a fan of any team growing up, currently working for a team that has a history of burning every bridge possible when it comes to superstars, what would make you want to stick around?

Fisk, Robbin, even the Oz are just a few of the players that were run out of town by the Sox brass (JR). How can every be so down on a greedy Mags? Old timers, hasn't this been the story with just about every big name player that has walked since at least the JR era?
I agree with you 100%, but we are by far in the minority. It seems like most people have forgotten how good he was for the sox. They gave him a fair offer, but a lot of it was backloaded. He would have gotten more on the open market if not for his unfortunate injury. Plus it was his first time to test the FA market as a star. If the tigers are gonna give him what is reported, I dont fault him at all. If you had a choice of a 5 year deal worth that much or a 1 year incentive laden deal at a reduced price, what would you do. I wish maggs had not gotten hurt. I wish he was still here. But hes not. I dont wish ill on him, but the best of luck unless he is playing the sox. If he signs with the tigers he will become a gigantic thorn in our side. But still better than with the cubs. Ive seen the white sox treat player after player like ****, so I dont buy any of their crap
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Maggs wasn't lowballed. He was offered way more than what he'll get with whatever contract he signs and he turned it down.
He was lowballed, considering at the time he was healthy and at the top of his game. He would have gotten a huge deal if he had a normal healthy season last year
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Old 01-29-2005, 01:51 AM
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Hey, what goes around comes around. Doesn't anybody else remember the reaction throughout baseball, and particularly in Cleveland, when the Sox signed Albert Belle?


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... Not just Mags but the other players who have left the team feeling bitten. IE: Fisk wearing a Red Sox cap at the HOF.
And Fisk left the Red Sox to come to the White Sox angry at them.

Come on, you cannot hold management responsible for the egos of pro athletes. Their egos are what makes them great, but also makes them unable to be rational in their judgment of their own situation. Fisk couldn't accept that his skills had eroded and blamed the Sox for it. I wish it hadn't been such, and that Carlton was currently part of the organization imparting his desire and dedication to our young players. But it's not all the fault of the Sox.
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Old 01-29-2005, 02:26 AM
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And Fisk left the Red Sox to come to the White Sox angry at them.

Come on, you cannot hold management responsible for the egos of pro athletes. Their egos are what makes them great, but also makes them unable to be rational in their judgment of their own situation. Fisk couldn't accept that his skills had eroded and blamed the Sox for it. I wish it hadn't been such, and that Carlton was currently part of the organization imparting his desire and dedication to our young players. But it's not all the fault of the Sox.
ok, what about the Oz? He said that he would have signed the league minimum to stay but they pushed him out the door even though they had no major league ready SS becuase he said things about Bevington (I think that is the story). Bevington was then replaced and the Oz moved around. 13 years with the same club gives you some leeway to speak your mind I would think. I don't know what happened with Ventura or with McDowell. Do you remember?
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Old 01-29-2005, 03:10 AM
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I agree about the overpaying, but I don't think that is the issue here. I was reffering to the club turning it's back on a player that was a fan favorite. Not just Mags but the other players who have left the team feeling bitten. IE: Fisk wearing a Red Sox cap at the HOF.
Fisk should be wearing a red sox hat in the hall of fame eventhough he plyed more for the White Sox. He was more known for his moments with the Red Sox and I have no problem with that.
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Old 01-29-2005, 06:50 AM
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He was lowballed, considering at the time he was healthy and at the top of his game. He would have gotten a huge deal if he had a normal healthy season last year
How is 4 years at $15 million with no deferred money lowballed? This was AFTER he got hurt and was recovering (Aug-Sept timeframe). He was NOT lowballed at all, he got a very competitive offer.

Ordonez gambled and lost, that's all. He had a sure thing in one hand and he had the dream of a bigger pay-day in the other (no doubt thanks to Scott Boras whispering in his ear), and he under-estimated the seriousness of his injury. End of story.

I'm not saying he did wrong and I wish the man well, but he exhibited no loyalty to the Sox, they were just another employer to him. He got burned chasing dollars that weren't there, and so he'll settle for $50 million from the Tigers, and the rest of us will go to work at real jobs.
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