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Old 01-07-2005, 11:16 PM
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Default Why Sandberg was overrated

He rarely dove for balls. He was never truly dominant. He gets in the HOF because of the HR's for his position, but he wasn't all that.
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Old 01-07-2005, 11:27 PM
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This has been discussed in many many other threads (and recently). I don't know why you felt the need to start another one
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Old 01-07-2005, 11:28 PM
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Sanberg didn't have to dive for balls. He got to most of them without diving. Joe Dimaggio never dove for balls either. Why? They both had great range for their respective positions.

I didn't like Sandberg when he was playing, basically because he was a Cub. But at the moment I can't think of a 2nd basemen who was better at the time that he played. And had the longevity that he did as well.
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Old 01-07-2005, 11:49 PM
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Sanberg didn't have to dive for balls.


I didn't dive for balls, either. And some dumbasses thought I was the second coming of Ozzie Smith.
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Old 01-07-2005, 11:53 PM
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I didn't dive for balls, either. And some dumbasses thought I was the second coming of Ozzie Smith.
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Old 01-08-2005, 12:15 AM
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sandberg
H-----2b-3b--hr---r----rbi---sb-bb--ba---oba--slg
2386 403 76 282 1318 1061 344 761 .285 .344 .452


joe morgan
h-----2b-3b--hr---r----rbi---sb--bb---ba--oba--slg
2517 449 96 268 1650 1133 689 1865 .271 .392 .427


morgan had about 500 more games played and about 1000 more at bats.

how many gold gloves for sandberg? how many all star teams?
even tho my bias is against a cub. his numbers say he's in

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Old 01-08-2005, 12:20 AM
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sandberg
H 2b 3b hr r rbi sb bb ba oba slg
2386 403 76 282 1318 1061 344 761 .285 .344 .452


joe morgan
h 2b 3b hr r rbi sb bb ba oba slg
2517 449 96 268 1650 1133 689 1865 .271 .392 .427


morgan had about 500 more games played and about 1000 more at bats.

how many gold gloves for sandberg? how many all star teams?
even tho my bias is against a cub. his numbers say he's in
Of course he's in. But, of course, there's always the Sox fan who's a dipwad that can't handle the truth.
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Old 01-08-2005, 12:24 AM
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I didn't dive for balls, either. And some dumbasses thought I was the second coming of Ozzie Smith.
As I stated, Joe D didn't dive for balls either, but I see how you skipped over that part, just to be a dumbass yourself. I know it's hard to handle the truth about how a former Cub is going into the Hall, but he deserves it. Sorry.
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Old 01-08-2005, 12:27 AM
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As I stated, Joe D didn't dive for balls either, but I see how you skipped over that part, just to be a dumbass yourself. I know it's hard to handle the truth about how a former Cub is going into the Hall, but he deserves it. Sorry.
Well, since I'm a "dumbass" you don't need to use my board now, do you. After all, I'm too stupid to make it work.

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Old 01-08-2005, 07:40 AM
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Note to Soxnut:

The way it usually works is that one resorts to ad hominem attacks when one is losing an argument, not when one is winning.

Another note to Soxnut:

It is a wise man who knows not to resort to ad hominem attacks when dealing with a moderator.
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Old 01-08-2005, 08:05 AM
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while you could argue that the fact that he "rarely dove for balls" constitutes him overrated, that's hardly enough to keep him out of the hall. he clearly deserved the induction, whether or not he played for the cubs.
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Old 01-08-2005, 10:40 AM
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The numbers were marginal. We compare him to Joe Morgan, but Joe Morgan is not in solely for his career offensive production. He's in for the big seasons and his key role on the Big Red Machine as well.

Meanwhile, Sandberg is allegedly in for his defense and "being the best second baseman in the league at the time."

I would say that he should be in the hall, but barely...and his defense is just indicative of his cub status - just do enough to make yourself look good, not to help the team.

Meanwhile, if you don't see the difference between outfielders diving and infielders diving, I don't know what to tell you.
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Old 01-08-2005, 10:43 AM
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Meanwhile, if you don't see the difference between outfielders diving and infielders diving, I don't know what to tell you.
You mean there's a difference?
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Old 01-08-2005, 11:01 AM
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The only way I would agree Sandberg deserves to go into the Hall is if his ex-wife Cindy shows up wearing the corn cob dress she wore for his retirement press conference-- the first one. The one where he was all puddling up about spending more time with his family, blah blah blah... then she divorced his ass... and he came back to the Flubs, loser that he is.

Oh, and when Cindy shows up in Cooperstown, I want Rafael Palmiero standing next to her, his hand behind her in a place no one can see.
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Old 01-08-2005, 11:35 AM
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Oh, and when Cindy shows up in Cooperstown, I want Rafael Palmiero standing next to her, his hand behind her in a place no one can see.
lol...wow
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