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Old 11-18-2004, 10:52 AM
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Default Compensation Rules re: Declining Options

This was a point of discussion a couple of days ago, don't know if anywone came up with the definitive answer, but BA just posted the official ruling on such cases:

"There's a misconception apparently circulating on message boards everywhere that declining an option is the equivalent of non-tendering a player, and that a team that does so forfeits its right to free-agent compensation. That's not the case. A player whose option is declined is in the same situation as one whose contract runs out. He's a free agent whose former club will receive compensation if he meets the Type A/B/C requirements, is offered arbitration and signs elsewhere."

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Old 11-18-2004, 10:56 AM
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This was a point of discussion a couple of days ago, don't know if anywone came up with the definitive answer, but BA just posted the official ruling on such cases:

"There's a misconception apparently circulating on message boards everywhere that declining an option is the equivalent of non-tendering a player, and that a team that does so forfeits its right to free-agent compensation. That's not the case. A player whose option is declined is in the same situation as one whose contract runs out. He's a free agent whose former club will receive compensation if he meets the Type A/B/C requirements, is offered arbitration and signs elsewhere."

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So BA is reading WSI?
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Old 11-18-2004, 10:57 AM
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So BA is reading WSI?
LOL! I thought the same thing when I read that....
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Old 11-18-2004, 11:02 AM
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So since Cleveland did not offer arbitration (last I heard) have they forfeited their chance at picks from the San Fran?
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Old 11-18-2004, 11:09 AM
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So since Cleveland did not offer arbitration (last I heard) have they forfeited their chance at picks from the San Fran?
Nope, they can still offer arbitration up to December 7th.

From the same article:

Vizquel is a Type A free agent, so the Indians will get the Giants' first-round pick (No. 22 overall) and a supplemental first-round pick after they officially offer him arbitration, a no-brainer because there's no way now that he can accept.
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Old 11-18-2004, 11:09 AM
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So since Cleveland did not offer arbitration (last I heard) have they forfeited their chance at picks from the San Fran?
They don't have to offer it. They automatically get the picks if their player signs elsewhere before Dec 7.
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Old 11-18-2004, 12:19 PM
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This was a point of discussion a couple of days ago, don't know if anywone came up with the definitive answer, but BA just posted the official ruling on such cases:

"There's a misconception apparently circulating on message boards everywhere that declining an option is the equivalent of non-tendering a player, and that a team that does so forfeits its right to free-agent compensation. That's not the case. A player whose option is declined is in the same situation as one whose contract runs out. He's a free agent whose former club will receive compensation if he meets the Type A/B/C requirements, is offered arbitration and signs elsewhere."

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I thought that was the case. Luckily we don't lose any compensation on a guy like Vizquel.


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Old 11-18-2004, 12:34 PM
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I thought that was the case. Luckily we don't lose any compensation on a guy like Vizquel.


Bob
True.

One more thing to note is that we will NOT lose our first round draft pick if we sign a free agent due to the fact that our pick is within the first 15 picks. (#15 to be exact) So we will have a decent first round pick no matter what.
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Old 11-18-2004, 12:40 PM
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Wow, interesting stuff. Good post!
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Old 11-18-2004, 12:54 PM
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So, what is the situation with Magglio, will the Sox get draft compensation for Magglio? I know this has no doubt been discussed here at WSI but I missed it. Can someone summarize the final answer?
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Old 11-18-2004, 01:00 PM
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So, what is the situation with Magglio, will the Sox get draft compensation for Magglio? I know this has no doubt been discussed here at WSI but I missed it. Can someone summarize the final answer?
In short, we have to offer Magglio salary arbitration by December 7th to get compensation.

Since Borass will not let anyone medically examine the soundness of Maggs' knee until December 10th, my guess is that we will not roll the dice. Thus, we won't get any compensation for Maggs unless someone decides to sign him beforehand.
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Old 11-18-2004, 01:00 PM
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So, what is the situation with Magglio, will the Sox get draft compensation for Magglio? I know this has no doubt been discussed here at WSI but I missed it. Can someone summarize the final answer?
They will get draft compensation only if 1) someone signs him before Dec 7, or 2) they offer arbitration by Dec 7. Neither is likely to happen, IMO.
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Old 11-18-2004, 08:12 PM
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I dont know. I wouldnt be upset if the sox offered Maggs arbitration. If its a 1 year deal at 11.2 mil big deal, sure its a lot of money, but if he does come back great we have a good RFer again. If he declines it we get supplemental draft picks. If he honestly thinks he is healthy, then he will probably decline the option. I say give it to him, i cant see him being awarded more than 11.2 with an unknown injury

and if he does come back and turns out healthy, we can always try to resign him or trade him. I vote on #2 since he probably would want vlad money again
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Old 11-18-2004, 08:42 PM
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In short, we have to offer Magglio salary arbitration by December 7th to get compensation.

Since Borass will not let anyone medically examine the soundness of Maggs' knee until December 10th, my guess is that we will not roll the dice. Thus, we won't get any compensation for Maggs unless someone decides to sign him beforehand.
... which is unethical and which the White Sox should insist calls for relief from MLB. It's called "buying a pig in a poke". Boras insists he's healthy; if I'm the GM of the White Sox I offer arbitration and press charges if he's not and I get stuck with him.
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Old 11-18-2004, 08:52 PM
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So BA is reading WSI?
There's a misconception apparently circulating on message boards everywhere

That's pretty arrogant to think that only people on WSI were smart enough to discuss this. FWIW, I know of at least three message boards where this question came up.
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