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Old 06-27-2004, 05:28 PM
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I don't understand some of the people here. Everyone has been complaining about KW not getting pitching and then he does and people are still unhappy. Hello! Pitching isn't free.
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before being traded to seattle ben davis was a good catcher with the padres. makes me think that they drafted the catchers they did as high as they did for a reason. hmmmm
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Old 06-27-2004, 05:28 PM
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Garcia isn't even an improvement over Garland. Have you guys watched baseball for the last 2 years? He's the most overated pitcher around.

Jim Mora "Playoffs??????????????"
I agree completely. Bad, bad trade. I absolutely hate seeing Olivo and Reed go but it would be a little easier to stomach for a top line starter instead of for a guy who has more ups and downs than a yo-yo.
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Old 06-27-2004, 05:29 PM
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We just got fleeced by one of the few GMs in baseball worse than KW. Wow.

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Old 06-27-2004, 05:29 PM
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Thanks KW for trading away 2 of our best young players in order to gt about 15 starts out of Freddie Garcia. This is just terrible.
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before being traded to seattle ben davis was a good catcher with the padres. makes me think that they drafted the catchers they did as high as they did for a reason. hmmmm
Not really. His best line ever with SD was .239/.337/.357.
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Old 06-27-2004, 05:30 PM
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Kenny says we're still looking to get better and he's not done.

How can you not like this guy?
I don't like him now because he just gave away the Sox starting catcher for the next ten years, and he gave away the Sox future left fielder and #2 hitter. Just for an over-rated pitcher (who pitches better in the massive pitcher-friendly Safeco Field) who is only guaranteed to be with the Sox through this season.

I understand that the Sox have a bunch of OF propsects (Anderson, LTP, Sweeney, etc.), but they have almost ZERO in terms of catching.

I am in shock. Certainly Kenny can't be this bad. I understand wanting to "go for the jugular," but this is just plain stupid.

I don't even care about beating the Cubs 2 out of 3 anymore. This has totally ruined my day.
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Old 06-27-2004, 05:31 PM
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And GUESS what?

NEXT YEAR, we might not have Mags, Frank, Loaiza or Valentin. Two years from now, we might not have Konerko or Lee. Who knows what's going to happen 3 or 4 years from now. You can't always keep thinking about the future, because the present will change along with that. We can't keep waiting. Sometimes you have to go out and get it done.
Exactly.

For THIS year, I like the deal.
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Thanks KW for trading away 2 of our best young players in order to gt about 15 starts out of Freddie Garcia. This is just terrible.
What if those 15 starts get the Sox into the playoffs or better? You guys need to cheer up!
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I don't mind losing Reed.... But Olivo...

Kenny - why the....

I can't believe I'm pissed on a day that we beat the Cubs...
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I don't understand some of the people here. Everyone has been complaining about KW not getting pitching and then he does and people are still unhappy. Hello! Pitching isn't free.
Well we paid a steep price. An absolute top prospect and a major league catcher, who's improving. I assume Davis can play a Mark Johnson level of catcher.
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Allow me to illustrate.

eggs ---> omelette

as...

pitching---> championships

i really hope you're right. i'm personally not that high on garcia.

but the first thing i thought when i saw this was .... this is like trading earl battey all over again.
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Old 06-27-2004, 05:32 PM
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Just announced over ESPN. No mention of the other 4 players in the deal, but you have to assume this is now 100% true.

Welcome to the Sox, Freddy Garcia.
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Old 06-27-2004, 05:32 PM
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i can only hope that garcia's friendship with ozzie makes him lights out.

im so sad to see olivo go. from what i witnessed at spring training he was one of the sweetest guys in the dugout. everyone liked him and everyone around him was laughing. i'll give this a shot, but i'm really nervous.

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Old 06-27-2004, 05:32 PM
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Wow, this is a pretty horrible trade if we lose Garcia after the season.
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