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Old 06-02-2004, 08:16 PM
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I don't know about everybody else but I've seen enough of Billy Koch. It seems as if he can't go a single inning without giving up a run. I say from now on Shingo or Poliete takes the mound when it's the bottom of the 9th and we're up only 1 or 2 runs. In fact Koch should come in when we're up by at least 5 runs. I know he used to throw smoke and sometimes he has his good games, but too many blown saves has lost him his starting closer job.
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Old 06-02-2004, 08:21 PM
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A couple of the guys on ESPN were trying to argue that he simply was a victim of two broken-bat (i.e., lucky) singles.
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Old 06-02-2004, 08:25 PM
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A couple of the guys on ESPN were trying to argue that he simply was a victim of two broken-bat (i.e., lucky) singles.
I'm surprised ESPN even knew that there is another team in chicago other than the flubbs.
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Old 06-02-2004, 08:25 PM
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A couple of the guys on ESPN were trying to argue that he simply was a victim of two broken-bat (i.e., lucky) singles.
I think they have a point.
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Old 06-02-2004, 08:29 PM
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I do admit that there were some cheap hits, like that one to the right fielder, but still Shingo was doing good on the mound why not put him on there. Everytime Koch gets on the mound and its a close game my confidence in the Sox winning the game decreases dramatically. He's not a very dependable closer.
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Old 06-02-2004, 08:30 PM
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I think they have a point.
They may have a point but when you're consistently the victim of "bad luck," maybe its time to stop being placed into situations where you have a slim marigin of error, luck or not.
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Old 06-02-2004, 08:32 PM
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They may have a point but when you're consistently the victim of "bad luck," maybe its time to stop being placed into situations where you have a slim marigin of error, luck or not.
Now I'm really confused. Everyone earlier in the year was just saying he was getting lucky everytime he was going out there but now he's having bad luck all the time.
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Old 06-02-2004, 08:34 PM
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While I don't balme Koch for the loss today (Hatteberg did a hell of a job hitting that high fastball), I do think someone else could do a better job closing out ballgames. The guy to do it is Takatsu. He hasn't given up a run in 16 appearances, and he's closed his whole career. It fits.
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Old 06-02-2004, 08:46 PM
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THis game was ALL about the offense's failure to get runs when they had the opportunity. You can't leave 14 men on base and expect to win many ballgames.
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Old 06-02-2004, 09:11 PM
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I agree. Koch blew the save again, but the offense really was at fault. They had several good chances to score more than just the two they did. Hopefully, they can pick it up again in Seattle.
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Old 06-02-2004, 10:28 PM
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"Koch should never pitch again with the game on the line." Corey McPherin on the 9 oclock news tonight. Belly Koch is closing because of his contract and that's not right. I want to see Takatsu get a chance.
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Old 06-02-2004, 11:42 PM
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To his credit, Koch is a stand up guy when things go wrong. He never makes excuses.

But the real issue: Is he a good closer? Lately he has been better, but there is not much data for us here Chicago, with what we've seen and recorded (in stats) that suggests that Koch is anything but a heart attack waiting to happen, every time he goes out there.

Yes, the Sox should have scored more runs. But who cares? You're not always going to score a ton of runs. Is it that much harder for a guy to come in and shut down 3 guys who haven't seen him all game? Come on. As I like to say, better we lose now with him in there so Ozzie realizes that he isn't the go-to guy later on in the year when it gets really heated. Go with Shingo.

Can anyone say even before today's BS that they would feel comfortable with Koch in a playoff situation?

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Old 06-03-2004, 12:09 AM
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jesus christ.
WSI is no longer the place for sports fans to gather.
instead it's a place for scapegoaters and rumormongers to gather...

no doubt koch pitched mediocre today, but todays loss lands on our offense. how many times did we leave RISP?

Koch has been solid for weeks now. you scapegoaters have been waiting for today to jump all over his case.
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Old 06-03-2004, 12:13 AM
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jesus christ.
WSI is no longer the place for sports fans to gather.
instead it's a place for scapegoaters and rumormongers to gather...

no doubt koch pitched mediocre today, but todays loss lands on our offense. how many times did we leave RISP?

Koch has been solid for weeks now. you scapegoaters have been waiting for today to jump all over his case.
It's hard to ignore the fact that Koch has a 4.43 ERA while Takatsu has a 1.33 ERA and has been practically unhittable except against the Yankees.
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Old 06-03-2004, 12:21 AM
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the WSI unintelligensia has been waiting for today for weeks now.

wow, what a surprise, Koch's ex team knows his pitches.
quit the scapegoating. today's loss is not koch's fault entirely.
it takes a team to win a division.... or lose it.


check the left on base ratios for today.


god. sometimes i feel embarassed i hang on this board.
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