All-Time Sox team...

[MarkEdward]

According to Rob Neyer:
http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sport...uestion-030606

[kermittheefrog]

Originally posted by MarkEdward
According to Rob Neyer:
http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sport...uestion-030606

His new book is pretty cool. I bought it along with Moneyball, pretty blindly just because I could afford it at the moment and I enjoyed his last book. The more I get into it the more interesting it is and the more bones I have to pick with him. The thing that bothers me the most about baseball history is the over valuing of early 20th century baseball players. I really don't feel like the "modern" era began until sometime between 1910 and 1920 rather than at 1900.

[MarkEdward]

For what it's worth, here's my All-Time Sox 25-man roster:

Starters
C: Carlton Fisk
1B: Frank Thomas
2B: Eddie Collins
3B: Robin Ventura
SS: Luke Appling
LF: Joe Jackson
CF: Minnie Minoso (well, he played some center)
RF: Danny Green

Bench
C: Sherm Lollar
IF: Nellie Fox
IF: Luis Aparicio
OF: Carlos May
OF: Fielder Jones

Starting Pitchers
1. Ted Lyons
2. Ed Walsh
3. Billy Pierce
4. Red Faber
5. Ed Cicotte

Relievers
RHP: Bobby Thigpen (he wasn't that good, he's just here for the whole saves record thing)
RHP: Keith Foulke (or Roberto Hernandez, can't decide)
RHP: Hoyt Wilhelm
LHP: Tommy John (he's a starter, but too good to leave off the list)
LHP: Wilbur Wood
LHP: Doc White (starter mostly, but too good to leave off list)

Manager: Al Lopez

[MarkEdward]

Originally posted by kermittheefrog
I really don't feel like the "modern" era began until sometime between 1910 and 1920 rather than at 1900.

Why's that?

If it were up to me, I'd use the term "modern era of baseball" for describing the sport after the color barrier of baseball was broken. But that's just me.

[kermittheefrog]

Originally posted by MarkEdward
Why's that?

If it were up to me, I'd use the term "modern era of baseball" for describing the sport after the color barrier of baseball was broken. But that's just me.

Thats probably a good call.

[xil357]

Can't say I disagree with most of the selections since I am not very familiar with early Sox history (other than Shoeless Joe, Collins, Weaver era.)

At what point does Maggs deserve to be on this list? I say within another season or two, if not already.

[jortafan]

Originally posted by MarkEdward
For what it's worth, here's my All-Time Sox 25-man roster:

RF: Danny Green

For fear of sounding incredibly ignorant, who is he? Never heard of him.

[Dadawg_77]

Originally posted by jortafan
For fear of sounding incredibly ignorant, who is he? Never heard of him.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/greenda01.shtml

[jortafan]

Upon further inspection, I found Green. But I'm not sure he deserves the starting spot on an all-time team.

Personally, I'd put Minoso there (you're already moving him out of position from left field) and go with one of the real center fielders the White Sox have had throughout the years. I'd say Jim Landis, but I'm sure arguments could be made for other players.

Now, I'll crawl back into my hole in shame for being ignorant of Green.

[Dadawg_77]

Originally posted by xil357
Can't say I disagree with most of the selections since I am not very familiar with early Sox history (other than Shoeless Joe, Collins, Weaver era.)

At what point does Maggs deserve to be on this list? I say within another season or two, if not already.

6 to 10 seasons. Longevity is needed when making the all time great list, plus a couple of great seasons would help to. Lets not be to quick to put Mags up there with the all White Sox greats, he isn't even the greatest player on the team currently.

[Dadawg_77]

Here is a list of every player who has ever played for the White Sox and there stats while with the Sox

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/bat.shtml

[Dadawg_77]

How about Chet Lemon in center, I am to young for him but he looks good on paper. Johnny Mostil might be good selction to. But looking at this damn that 1919 team was good.

[voodoochile]

Originally posted by Dadawg_77
6 to 10 seasons. Longevity is needed when making the all time great list, plus a couple of great seasons would help to. Lets not be to quick to put Mags up there with the all White Sox greats, he isn't even the greatest player on the team currently.

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Neyer has Luzinski on the team and he was only with the Sox for 4 seasons. They could easily put Maggs in RF and Baines as the DH under those circumstances, of course Baines mostly played RF for the Sox, so it would be a bit of a stretch.

[Dadawg_77]

Originally posted by voodoochile
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Neyer has Luzinski on the team and he was only with the Sox for 4 seasons. They could easily put Maggs in RF and Baines as the DH under those circumstances, of course Baines mostly played RF for the Sox, so it would be a bit of a stretch.

True but Greg also had a 15 year career in the Majors, Mags isn't there yet.

[Procol Harum]

Originally posted by MarkEdward
Why's that?

If it were up to me, I'd use the term "modern era of baseball" for describing the sport after the color barrier of baseball was broken. But that's just me.

I agree to a point, but would qualify it in the sense that one has to realize that this was not a one-way transaction as it is often portrayed, of "inadequate" white players now having to "face up" to playing against "superior" African-American players. The situation was mutual--many Negro League players never had a prayer of playing in the Bigs after Robinson because they didn't measure up to the standard of play in the Major Leagues. The opening up of MLB weeded out the weaker players on both sides of the color barrier. And the change seemed to effect different positions--black players seemed to particularly excel as position players bringing a new combination of speed and power to the table. By contrast, there was something of a "pitching gap"--white pitchers have dominated MLB nearly as completely after Robinson as they did before his arrival.