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Old 06-02-2019, 11:35 AM
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Just a gut feeling... He's about to bust out big time in the next couple weeks.

Also curious about what people think about his play in LF. I know it was a big area of concern prior to his injury. For me he seems to be fine out there. Making the plays expected. His arm may never be great but if he can consistently learn to make the right throw it will be less of an issue. He also might become more accurate with practice. He's certainly got the athleticism down.

Finally - let's not allow this to turn into a shouting match please. I'm honestly looking for some feedback - especially from those who were most concerned earlier in the year what they think.
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Old 06-02-2019, 11:43 AM
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His jumping catch looked awfully similar to the one that injured him so my heart dropped when he went in the air but thankfully he was still 20 feet from the fence.

I agree with your gut feeling. He hasnít been driving the ball for a ton of xbh, but he has been hitting the ball very hard. He also learned pretty quickly to lay off the low sliders (which is something Abreu keeps bouncing between remembering and forgetting how to do). Yesterday, when Eloy popped out to short with runners in second and third, he threw the bat down in frustration because he was clearly seeing the ball well and just underestimated how much the pitch was hung. Although he didnít get the runs in it was nice to see the emotion.

Having him in LF isnít a necessity (at least not yet) but provides a lot of affordances with more flexibility at 1B and DH. Iím in the camp of have him learn out thereótime in the field in Charlotte after his injury seemed to do him well and I consider days that he learns in the outfield to be good for the rebuild.
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Old 06-02-2019, 11:52 AM
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I would much prefer to find three better defensive outfielders who can hit enough to be major league regulars and limit Eloyís LF appearances to interleague play, days off for regulars, and filling in for injuries. That will take a few years, and it may not happen at all. In the meantime, stick him in LF and hold on for the ride.
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Old 06-02-2019, 12:03 PM
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I would much prefer to find three better defensive outfielders who can hit enough to be major league regulars and limit Eloyís LF appearances to interleague play, days off for regulars, and filling in for injuries. That will take a few years, and it may not happen at all. In the meantime, stick him in LF and hold on for the ride.
Do you think he's doing better out there than when he started? Does he still give you a lot of reason for concern?
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Old 06-02-2019, 12:15 PM
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Do you think he's doing better out there than when he started? Does he still give you a lot of reason for concern?
I havenít seen him in-person since his return. I see sliding catches on TV, but I donít see the routes being taken to get to the ball. Outfielders misplay themselves into great plays sometimes. I really canít say until I see it happen in front of me.
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He's looked much better since returning from the injury. It makes me wonder what happened / what was said to him when he was hurt and on rehab. Having said that, he just looks very un-athletic in the outfield. Watching him reminds me of the adage - "wait until the ball stops rolling and then pick it up." I think I must have heard that from either Hawk or Drysdale on some Sox broadcast many years ago.

He's such a big guy (6'4" I read), maybe he'll get better control in a couple of years, maybe not. It is difficult to understand how he was considered a 5-tool player, at least according to his wikipedia page.

My biggest concern would be, given that your 2 best players are on the same side of the infield, that one of the 3 is going to be seriously hurt at some point, similar to what happened with Raines and Guillen.

Regarding his offense, his swing looks long to me, but what the heck do I know?! Again, he has some long moving parts. It would be nice for a Sox' prospect to come up and make an immediate impact, like the Chavis kid in Boston. However, we all know first hand that that can be fool's gold too.
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Old 06-02-2019, 01:10 PM
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My biggest concern would be, given that your 2 best players are on the same side of the infield, that one of the 3 is going to be seriously hurt at some point, similar to what happened with Raines and Guillen.

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Old 06-02-2019, 02:26 PM
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I still see bad routes being taken to balls, it's only a matter of time until he runs into the wall again imo
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He looks much more relaxed out there . his movements in the field were awkward, but he seems more fluid now . hoping that he can become a serviceable left fielder.
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He looks much more relaxed out there . his movements in the field were awkward, but he seems more fluid now . hoping that he can become a serviceable left fielder.

What Eloy are you watching? Watching today from left field, I saw a guy that jumped forward 5 seconds after a normal outfielder would move forward, allowing a routine fly ball to be a basehit.

He hasn't gotten better. And he doesn't look relaxed. He looks perplexed and bad. Very very bad.
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Old 06-03-2019, 12:43 AM
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Watching him reminds me of the adage - "wait until the ball stops rolling and then pick it up." I think I must have heard that from either Hawk or Drysdale on some Sox broadcast many years ago.
That was Bob Ueker's answer when he was asked how he catches knuckleballs.
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Old 06-03-2019, 07:03 AM
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He looks much more relaxed out there . his movements in the field were awkward, but he seems more fluid now . hoping that he can become a serviceable left fielder.
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What Eloy are you watching? Watching today from left field, I saw a guy that jumped forward 5 seconds after a normal outfielder would move forward, allowing a routine fly ball to be a basehit.

He hasn't gotten better. And he doesn't look relaxed. He looks perplexed and bad. Very very bad.
He still looks bad, but recent games have looked better to me.
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Old 06-03-2019, 08:16 AM
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He looks like a poor defender rather than an immediate threat to the safety of himself and others. This is progress.
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Old 06-03-2019, 08:43 AM
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He looks like a poor defender rather than an immediate threat to the safety of himself and others. This is progress.
This is correct. Letís also not lose sight of the fact that heís all of 22 years old. The fact that heís got advanced hitting skills does not mean his fielding is as advanced, and itís clearly not. However, with practice and repetition he can become a serviceable defender.
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Old 06-03-2019, 08:54 AM
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This is correct. Letís also not lose sight of the fact that heís all of 22 years old. The fact that heís got advanced hitting skills does not mean his fielding is as advanced, and itís clearly not. However, with practice and repetition he can become a serviceable defender.
He's also becoming more aware of other defenders and more aggressive about patrolling his area while still managing to play within himself as near as I can tell from watching. It's going to be a learning and familiarization process with the infielders and Leury, but you can see signs it's coming. Part of the issue is both Anderson and Moncada are such aggressive players about making plays that they often outrun their own territory. Yoan is still learning he has to defer to the other defenders which was not the case when he was playing 2B nearly as often.

For me the jump from where Eloy was to start the season to where he is now seems dramatic. I thought at the time he was just trying too hard and the game was moving too fast for him. It seems to have slowed down now. It's one reason I expect his offense to take off soon.
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