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View Poll Results: Who deserves it?
Joe Jackson 27 57.45%
Harold Baines 18 38.30%
Minnie Minoso 29 61.70%
Billy Pierce 22 46.81%
Konerko 6 12.77%
Buehrle 4 8.51%
Dick Allen 13 27.66%
Wilbur Wood 3 6.38%
The inventor of Churros 7 14.89%
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Old 11-06-2018, 03:33 PM
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The Harold Barnes thread got me thinking who among the Sox has a case for induction, but has been denied. This is who I thought of off the top of my head:

Harold Baines
Minnie Minoso
Billy Pierce
Joe Jackson (heís dead, so just lift the ban already)

Who else belongs in Cooperstown? State your case.

(Mods, is it possible to create a poll where voters can select multiple options?)
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Old 11-06-2018, 03:34 PM
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Oh, and Dick Allen, but he probably wouldnít be depicted in a White Sox cap.
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Old 11-06-2018, 03:38 PM
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The Harold Barnes thread got me thinking who among the Sox has a case for induction, but has been denied. This is who I thought of off the top of my head:

Harold Baines
Minnie Minoso
Billy Pierce
Joe Jackson (he’s dead, so just lift the ban already)

Who else belongs in Cooperstown? State your case.

(Mods, is it possible to create a poll where voters can select multiple options?)
You got them all but I'm on the fence about Shoeless.
Paulie isn't eligible yet but he might get in.
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Old 11-06-2018, 03:51 PM
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Billy Pierce and Minnie Minoso absolutely belong in the Hall. You can make a case for Baines and Konerko, but I'm not sure they really belong in there although I do think if they had put up the same kind of numbers with the Yankees or Red Sox they'd be shoe-ins.
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Old 11-06-2018, 05:00 PM
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it is a crime that Aaron Rowand is not there already.
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Poll added. You can make more than one choice.
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Old 11-06-2018, 05:32 PM
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I remember the day Chicago media called Miguel Olivio a future Hall of Famer. There is a tendency to slap that label on players when the White Sox trade them.

I think Baines is more deserving than Minoso. Maybe like Minoso, baseball will continue to give Baines chances to get in because as deserving as he is, the special committees don't show him the respect he deserves.

Baines is certainly more worthy than Dick Allen or Joe Jackson. Jackson has been excluded from the Hall of Fame, not because he was banned from baseball, but because of what he did to be banned from baseball. He actually got a vote or two in the first-ever ballot and was never declared ineligible for the Hall of Fame during his lifetime.

Dick Allen quit on the White Sox and baseball. He basically quit on the Phillies before they traded him to the Cardinals who traded him to the Dodgers who traded him to the White Sox where he had a Hall of Fame season. Like Joe Jackson, Allen was a Hall-of-Fame caliber player whose career shouldn't be honored in the Hall of Fame.
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Old 11-06-2018, 05:43 PM
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Dick Allenís OPS was an eye-popping 56% better than his peers. For comparison, Frank Thomasís OPS was also 56% better than his peers, and he was an absolute no-brainer selection on the first ballot.

Dick Allen is on an extremely short list of the Hall of Fameís most egregious snubs. It is ridiculous that he is not enshrined.

I also voted for Minnie Minoso (his peak is right in line with other Hall of Famers) and Shoeless Joe Jackson (I donít think he had anything to do with fixing World Series games).
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Old 11-06-2018, 06:44 PM
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Mohoney,


I could not agree with you more.
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Old 11-06-2018, 06:48 PM
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Read the now-public transcripts of Joe Jackson's grand jury testimony before decide what you want to believe about 1919.
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Old 11-06-2018, 06:56 PM
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Read the now-public transcripts of Joe Jackson's grand jury testimony before decide what you want to believe about 1919.
If he was tanking, going 12-for-32 with 3 doubles, a home run, and only 2 strikeouts was a piss-poor tactic.
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Old 11-06-2018, 07:09 PM
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Don't forget Tommy John and Jim Kaat.
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Here is an analytics-inclined look at Minoso’s candidacy.

https://www.cooperstowncred.com/minn...m-cooperstown/

From 1951-1961, Minnie Minoso ranked 5th in Runs Created. The players ahead of him? Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Eddie Mathews, and Stan Musial.

Read that list again.
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Old 11-06-2018, 08:54 PM
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If he was tanking, going 12-for-32 with 3 doubles, a home run, and only 2 strikeouts was a piss-poor tactic.

Unless you look at when he got the hits, when he hit the home run, when Reds fly balls to left became triples. In Game 1 when Jackson went 0-for-4, the Reds starting pitcher hit two triples. At least one of them was fielded by Jackson.
Read the grand jury transcripts. Look at the way the 1919 World Series played out.
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If he was tanking, going 12-for-32 with 3 doubles, a home run, and only 2 strikeouts was a piss-poor tactic.
In games that were already decided, or when they rebelled because they weren't getting paid.
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