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Old 09-08-2017, 05:53 PM
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Default Rick Hahn: GM Of the Year?

Do we think he honestly has a shot at this award? I think it would be pretty wonderful if he managed to receive this with a team that could very well wind up finishing last in the league. I mean the amount of talent he has infused into this farm system over the last year is astonishing.

EDIT: I believe the award is actually Executive of the Year
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Old 09-08-2017, 06:17 PM
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Old 09-08-2017, 06:58 PM
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The argument "against" is that it's much easier to build a loser than a winner. Every team in baseball would have taken Sale, Eaton, Quintana.

The argument "for" is that he set a direction and executed his plan to perfection. He traded almost every tradeable asset and got what are generally agreed to be good to excellent returns. He also signed Robert, and the 2017 draft class seems like a good one.

It takes guts to gut a team, but we really can't judge him until we see Year 2 and Year 3 of the rebuild (at least). I don't think he wins it, but he will be a lead pipe cinch if the Sox are back in the playoffs in 2019.
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Old 09-08-2017, 06:59 PM
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I understand this line of thinking, but the fact remains that he has completely reshape this organization in a year. This is the proudest and most confident I've been as a Sox fan since October 26th, 2005.
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Old 09-08-2017, 07:15 PM
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Honestly, if Andre Dawson can win an MVP on a last-place team, then why can't Rick Hahn win Executive of the Year on a last-place team? A reasonable, rational argument definitely can be made that no other GM in the game did a better job of improving his team's future outlook.
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Old 09-08-2017, 08:56 PM
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Honestly, if Andre Dawson can win an MVP on a last-place team, then why can't Rick Hahn win Executive of the Year on a last-place team? A reasonable, rational argument definitely can be made that no other GM in the game did a better job of improving his team's future outlook.
I'm not sure how the voting usually works.

I'd assume that, if everything goes the way we all hope it does, he might win Executive of the Year in 2020/2021 or whenever the Sox are legitimately contending again based on what he did this year.

I don't think he'll win it THIS year though, based only on potential that may or may not work out.
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Old 09-08-2017, 09:31 PM
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The argument "against" is that it's much easier to build a loser than a winner. Every team in baseball would have taken Sale, Eaton, Quintana.

The argument "for" is that he set a direction and executed his plan to perfection. He traded almost every tradeable asset and got what are generally agreed to be good to excellent returns. He also signed Robert, and the 2017 draft class seems like a good one.

It takes guts to gut a team, but we really can't judge him until we see Year 2 and Year 3 of the rebuild (at least). I don't think he wins it, but he will be a lead pipe cinch if the Sox are back in the playoffs in 2019.
I just don't understand taking a doom and gloom stance or assuming that Hahn has stockpiled all this guaranteed talent. We are guaranteed nothing either way so far. Like Voodoo said this will take a while before it shakes down one way or another. I'm not knocking anybody excited about the future, believe me I hope you're all right. I just have to see it in the win column and even under the best of circumstances that ain't happening any time soon.
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Old 09-08-2017, 09:37 PM
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Hahn anywhere near GM of the year would be ridiculous.
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Old 09-08-2017, 09:42 PM
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I'm not sure how the voting usually works.

I'd assume that, if everything goes the way we all hope it does, he might win Executive of the Year in 2020/2021 or whenever the Sox are legitimately contending again based on what he did this year.

I don't think he'll win it THIS year though, based only on potential that may or may not work out.
Yeah, that's my way of thinking on this too. I'm very impressed with what he has done. But it is all potential right now. We don't know if he did a good job. We think he did a good job. It looks like he did a good job. But we don't and won't know for sure for a couple years or more.

The comparison to Andre Dawson doesn't really fit because we had direct evidence of just how good a year Dawson personally had.
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Old 09-08-2017, 09:43 PM
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I'm not sure how the voting usually works.

I'd assume that, if everything goes the way we all hope it does, he might win Executive of the Year in 2020/2021 or whenever the Sox are legitimately contending again based on what he did this year.

I don't think he'll win it THIS year though, based only on potential that may or may not work out.
Oh I totally agree with you that he's not going to win. I'm just saying that the logic behind the original poster's argument is strong.
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I mean the amount of talent he has infused into this farm system over the last year is astonishing.
Hahn had a ton to trade.
He had a pitcher on a cheap multi year contract who pitches like a future hall of famer; another low 1/high 2 pitcher on a cheap multi year contract; a player who hit, what 6 war last year, also on a cheap multi year contract; 2 or 3 really good relievers. He should have brought in a ton of talent.
And really, which trade made anyone go "wow". To me Eaton and Q were premium trades (and Q only because he waited too long and was able to move him when he wasn't having a good year).
No Cubs, Astros, etc. had anywhere near that level of inventory to trade.
His drafts, imo, have been okay, but no better. In 2017, he reached in round 1, and drafted very little pitching, despite being a pitching-heavy draft. And this won't get done if Hahn doesn't improve his drafting.
Now given what he had to start, this rebuild should be accelerated compared to Astros and Cubs.
Let's see Hahn deliver that.
After all, his job is to win, not to acquire prospects.
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Old 09-08-2017, 11:19 PM
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I do think this rebuild is different from other rebuilds I can remember, because I can't remember any team selling off talents as good as Sale/Eaton/Quintana who were also on cheap multiyear contracts. Nor can I remember any other team unloading almost all of their major league talent. I remember the Marlins winning two World Series and tearing down each time, and I remember Finley dismantling the A's, but I don't remember anyone being as determined as Hahn to extract value for every tradeable asset.

I agree with Hahn's analysis of the team's prospects with and without the rebuild. I think he's executed the tear-down phase faster and better than it's been done before. And I think he's going to deserve the award, maybe as soon as next year.

But right now, the Sox are a sub-.400 team and Moncada can't hit his weight. Hahn's not winning any awards until the team gets back to .500.

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Hahn anywhere near GM of the year would be ridiculous.
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Agreed. He's presided over five consecutive losing seasons at the only level that matters -- the majors.

He's not even in the discussion.
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Hahn anywhere near GM of the year would be ridiculous.
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But also awesome and hilarious, insofar as how much it would piss off Kenny, who I'm sure is still smarting over his 2005 snub.
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I do think this rebuild is different from other rebuilds I can remember, because I can't remember any team selling off talents as good as Sale/Eaton/Quintana who were also on cheap multiyear contracts. Nor can I remember any other team unloading almost all of their major league talent. I remember the Marlins winning two World Series and tearing down each time, and I remember Finley dismantling the A's, but I don't remember anyone being as determined as Hahn to extract value for every tradeable asset.

I agree with Hahn's analysis of the team's prospects with and without the rebuild. I think he's executed the tear-down phase faster than better than it's been done before. And I think he's going to deserve the award, maybe as soon as next year.

But right now, the Sox are a sub-.400 team and Moncada can't hit his weight. Hahn's not winning any awards until the team gets back to .500.


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