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Old 05-02-2017, 11:15 PM
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News isn't great for Shields, so much for that "quick" recovery and Rodon's is becoming more and more head scratching every day:

http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/artic...picId=27118146

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Old 05-02-2017, 11:27 PM
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I still understand the secretive nature of these injuries. The Sox know whats wrong, the players know, their agents know, I dont get why its not public knowledge.
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Old 05-03-2017, 01:11 AM
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I still understand the secretive nature of these injuries. The Sox know whats wrong, the players know, their agents know, I dont get why its not public knowledge.
Being a professional athlete does not strip you of your medical privacy rights.
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Old 05-03-2017, 08:54 AM
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Being a professional athlete does not strip you of your medical privacy rights.
Im aware of that but why wouldnt a player not want to disclose a normal baseball related injury?
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Old 05-03-2017, 10:18 AM
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Im aware of that but why wouldnt a player not want to disclose a normal baseball related injury?
Would you want to tell the world about your personal medical history, especially as it relates to your job?
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I still understand the secretive nature of these injuries. The Sox know whats wrong, the players know, their agents know, I dont get why its not public knowledge.
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Im aware of that but why wouldnt a player not want to disclose a normal baseball related injury?
Why should it be public knowledge? The NHL is even more vague on injuries (upper body or lower body, the rest is a secret).

Rodon will be ready when he is ready. If we knew where he is in his recovery, that will not change anything.
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Old 05-03-2017, 12:46 PM
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Why should it be public knowledge? The NHL is even more vague on injuries (upper body or lower body, the rest is a secret).

Rodon will be ready when he is ready. If we knew where he is in his recovery, that will not change anything.
There also are competitive reasons to be secretive about the nature of injuries.

Every team is as secretive about injuries as it can be.
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Old 05-03-2017, 12:53 PM
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The Sox have a right to be secretive, and I have a right to react accordingly to their secrecy. Therefore, I'm assuming we won't see Rodon at all this year.

The Sox have developed a habit of saying "oh, it won't be long," and then it turns out to be long. Happened with Jackson and Lawrie last year. It's happened with Tilson and Rodon this year, and it's possible Shields might be headed in that direction, as well.

I'm just going to assume from now on that the Sox are full of ****, and that every injury is more serious than they are saying.
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The Sox have a right to be secretive, and I have a right to react accordingly to their secrecy. Therefore, I'm assuming we won't see Rodon at all this year.

The Sox have developed a habit of saying "oh, it won't be long," and then it turns out to be long. Happened with Jackson and Lawrie last year. It's happened with Tilson and Rodon this year, and it's possible Shields might be headed in that direction, as well.

I'm just going to assume from now on that the Sox are full of ****, and that every injury is more serious than they are saying.
VERY WELL STATED!!!!!!!!

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Old 05-03-2017, 02:08 PM
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Although it ignores the obvious reality that the White Sox would have treated (former Brewers first-round draft pick) Brett Lawrie differently contractually if Lawrie had been honest enough with the team to give the White Sox full knowledge of the injury.

Wait until you see all the mystery injuries from prospects who have financial reasons to keep the full extent of their nagging injuries from the team.
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Old 05-03-2017, 02:37 PM
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This is really beginning to remind me of 2000-2001 in some ways.

For those who weren't around or don't remember in brief.

Sox pitchers were dropping left and right (you can look it up). The Sox were saying, the injury is "this" when in reality it turned out to be "that." Players were going outside the organization to get second opinions, there were claims of being misdiagnosed and finally Kenny had to angrily (is Kenny any other way? LOL) defend the Sox medical staff at a press conference.

And I haven't even mentiond "Shouldergate" between Toronto and the Sox that saw Selig have to get involved as commissioner.

This whole thing particularly with Rodon is just strange.

Got some info from a physical therapist who said a "lat pull / strain" shouldn't take longer than three weeks at most. He also said though given the conservative nature of the Sox they may be playing it extra safe since they may be trying to eventually trade some of these guys. (To say nothing on "unintentionally" tanking right?)

I tweeted in jest (maybe) that if you want to know what's going on with Rodon, ask Scott Boras his agent. I'm sure he knows!

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Old 05-03-2017, 03:46 PM
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I tweeted in jest (maybe) that if you want to know what's going on with Rodon, ask Scott Boras his agent. I'm sure he knows!

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And he's probably not telling the White Sox.

After the 2000 season, of course, Mike Sirotka was traded for David Wells. After Sirotka passed the Blue Jays' physical, and the trade became official, the Blue Jays discovered that Sirotka had an injury that prevented him from pitching. He last pitched in the Chicago postseason, not missing a start, and he passed the Blue Jays' physical, yet he never threw another official pitch in major or minor league baseball after giving up a single to David Bell with two out in the sixth and the Sox trailing 4-2 in Game 2 of the 2000 ALDS.

The Sox had a lot of pitching injuries when Nardi Contreras was the pitching coach. and there is evidence that the team didn't know the full extent of the problem.
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Old 05-03-2017, 04:34 PM
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The Sox have a right to be secretive, and I have a right to react accordingly to their secrecy. Therefore, I'm assuming we won't see Rodon at all this year.

The Sox have developed a habit of saying "oh, it won't be long," and then it turns out to be long. Happened with Jackson and Lawrie last year. It's happened with Tilson and Rodon this year, and it's possible Shields might be headed in that direction, as well.

I'm just going to assume from now on that the Sox are full of ****, and that every injury is more serious than they are saying.
Yeah, considering who Rodon's agent is, I'm thinking the exact same thing: out for the season.
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Old 05-03-2017, 06:04 PM
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The Sox have a right to be secretive, and I have a right to react accordingly to their secrecy. Therefore, I'm assuming we won't see Rodon at all this year.

The Sox have developed a habit of saying "oh, it won't be long," and then it turns out to be long. Happened with Jackson and Lawrie last year. It's happened with Tilson and Rodon this year, and it's possible Shields might be headed in that direction, as well.

I'm just going to assume from now on that the Sox are full of ****, and that every injury is more serious than they are saying.
Shame we don't have Edwin Jackson anymore; could use the high heat.
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Old 05-03-2017, 06:28 PM
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Shame we don't have Edwin Jackson anymore; could use the high heat.
I could go out there and throw 120 pitches in four or five innings for a fraction of the cost.
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