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Old 03-09-2017, 02:31 PM
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Lucas Giolito on Striking a Balance Between Smart and Simple

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...when Im pitching I like to make it super simple. But things like spin rate and extension play a role in, How good is your stuff? What I especially looked at last year was usually, Im a big extension guy. On my fastball, Ill get seven-foot-whatever

I was looking at some numbers, and saw that I was down to six-foot-eight, six-nine, six-whatever. Thats not what I should be doing. Sure enough, video showed that I was flying open and yanking everything. So that stuff can be very helpful. Same thing with spin rate. Is the ball coming out of your hand at its best right now? It used to just be a feel thing, and now you can actually look at the numbers to back it up.
Shows how much work these kids put into their craft.
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Old 03-09-2017, 02:33 PM
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I have hope that Coop can get the best out this guy.

Despite the drop in velocity, there is still good talent there.
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Old 03-09-2017, 02:43 PM
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I have hope that Coop can get the best out this guy.

Despite the drop in velocity, there is still good talent there.
I think in Giolito, Kopech and Fulmer the Sox have three guys who are really driven to be the best and have the talent to back it up.
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Old 03-09-2017, 03:53 PM
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He's getting hit hard today.
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:32 PM
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I think in Giolito, Kopech and Fulmer the Sox have three guys who are really driven to be the best and have the talent to back it up.
Kind of agree on the first 2. Fulmer has the drive, but I think hes a set up guy. Have not liked what I have seen at all since drafting him.
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Old 03-10-2017, 09:24 AM
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Kind of agree on the first 2. Fulmer has the drive, but I think hes a set up guy. Have not liked what I have seen at all since drafting him.
While his delivery does look a bit less jerky and as demonstrative than before, and while his control looks better, I'm still in general agreement with him being destined for the bullpen.

I haven't been able to see Giolito or Kopech pitch this spring, so I have to withhold judgment on them.
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Old 03-10-2017, 09:44 AM
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While his delivery does look a bit less jerky and as demonstrative than before, and while his control looks better, I'm still in general agreement with him being destined for the bullpen.

I haven't been able to see Giolito or Kopech pitch this spring, so I have to withhold judgment on them.
I think we have a lot of young arms who project as SP. Gio, Kop, Rodon (obviously), I think Lopez is going to stay in the Pen, I still like Adams, Hansen, so I am fine with Fulmer and Burdi possibly making a really good back end.
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Old 03-10-2017, 10:13 AM
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Saw Giolito pitch for the first time yesterday. I only caught the third and fourth innings. I mostly liked what I saw but it seemed to me he was aiming the ball too much. That generally leads to over throwing. Perhaps it was just my perception because he is so tall but it sure looked like aiming to me.
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Old 03-10-2017, 10:27 AM
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I think we have a lot of young arms who project as SP. Gio, Kop, Rodon (obviously), I think Lopez is going to stay in the Pen, I still like Adams, Hansen, so I am fine with Fulmer and Burdi possibly making a really good back end.
I like Rodon, Giolito, Kopech, and Hansen for the first four and who knows for the fifth. I haven't seen Lopez pitch yet so I have no opinion on whether he can stick as starter or not.

I'm not sold on Adams or Fulmer yet. Fulmer has looked better this spring. If he carries it through the year at Charlotte that will go a long way to considering him as a starter but right now I agree with the rest that he ends up in the bullpen... not necessarily for us. I expect to see him traded to fill some hole in the field. The Sox have other bullpen options and will need trade chips.

And Adams just looks too hittable. He's young yet but he's given up more hits than innings at every level and doesn't seem to have an out pitch. Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up as a trade chip either.

It's too early to know for sure with Hansen but you gotta love the dominance he showed in his debut last year. Looking forward to seeing what he can do during a full year at Kannapolis and maybe Winston-Salem this year.
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Old 03-10-2017, 11:03 AM
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Sorry, had not had my coffee yet, I meant to say I think Lopez is going to stick in the rotation, not the pen (although Him-Fulmer-Burdi COULD be KC good haha)

I think Adams is going to be really Jon Garland like. Very solid 4 with upside to have better years.
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Old 03-10-2017, 12:35 PM
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...I agree with the rest that he ends up in the bullpen... not necessarily for us. I expect to see him traded to fill some hole in the field. The Sox have other bullpen options and will need trade chips.
I completely agree. The Sox are counting on trading pitchers to fill other holes.

The important thing for the Sox is just find starters' innings for all their top pitchers. Enough ought to survive as starters to fill at least four spots of a very strong rotation.

As for the rest, some might be good enough to be a #5 starter on a good team or a #3 on a bad team, and with a few notable exceptions, starters are worth more than relievers.
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Old 03-10-2017, 02:01 PM
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I think Adams is going to be really Jon Garland like. Very solid 4 with upside to have better years.
Yeah, that's a good comparison. I wish he could find that missing velocity though, would be a deadly combo with his control.
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Old 03-13-2017, 02:29 PM
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Nationals fans have already declared victory in the Eaton trade over Giolito's subpar performance for the Sox thus far.
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Old 03-13-2017, 02:54 PM
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Nationals fans have already declared victory in the Eaton trade over Giolito's subpar performance for the Sox thus far.
Give me a break.
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Old 03-13-2017, 03:31 PM
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Nationals fans have already declared victory in the Eaton trade over Giolito's subpar performance for the Sox thus far.
That would be the Giolito with the 2.00 ERA, 2-0 record, 3-to-1 K/BB ratio, and 1.00 WHIP? Yeah, what a flop he's been so far.

And what can you say about a guy like Eaton? His .250 B. Avg. and .240 OBP has people making Rickey Henderson comparisons. Hahn definitely got taken in that deal!
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