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Old 02-10-2017, 05:30 PM
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Default Kevan Smith outrighted to Charlotte

With Smith now off the 40-man, there is now one open spot.

http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/roster/transactions
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Old 02-10-2017, 05:32 PM
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Old 02-10-2017, 06:07 PM
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Yes, precursor. It doesn't make much sense unless there is another move afoot. Spring training hasn't even started he is supposed to be in competition for a spot. If he is still injured then we need another catcher and it's too early to say it is Soto or to simply give the job to Soto.

One possibility I suppose to Robertson to the Nats for Pedro Severino. He's a nice but mid-level prospect that might make sense for Robertson.

Sox say Smith will still be a non-roster invitee to spring training.

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Old 02-10-2017, 08:27 PM
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Yes, precursor. It doesn't make much sense unless there is another move afoot. Spring training hasn't even started he is supposed to be in competition for a spot. If he is still injured then we need another catcher and it's too early to say it is Soto or to simply give the job to Soto.

One possibility I suppose to Robertson to the Nats for Pedro Severino. He's a nice but mid-level prospect that might make sense for Robertson.

Sox say Smith will still be a non-roster invitee to spring training.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/chicago-white-sox
Trading Robertson for one player who would go on the 40-man roster would not require an open roster spot. This move could be a precursor to something, certainly, but if it were, it would be signing a free agent or making a trade for one more player than the Sox would be giving up.

I don't see Robertson being traded for so little when he is the sort of commodity that could bring more in July, even if he doesn't have a consistent season. Healthy bullpen arms are in such demand that even Joe Nathan, who hasn't demonstrated that he isn't short of that, is getting another chance this spring.
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Old 02-10-2017, 10:19 PM
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Trading Robertson for one player who would go on the 40-man roster would not require an open roster spot. This move could be a precursor to something, certainly, but if it were, it would be signing a free agent or making a trade for one more player than the Sox would be giving up.
I think you're correct that this isn't tied to anything with Robertson. Maybe Matt Wieters's market has dried up to the point where a one-year deal with the White Sox to rebuild his value is the best offer on the table for him?
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Old 02-11-2017, 11:01 PM
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I think you're correct that this isn't tied to anything with Robertson. Maybe Matt Wieters's market has dried up to the point where a one-year deal with the White Sox to rebuild his value is the best offer on the table for him?
And because Wieters is a former No. 1 prospect, rated as such by both Baseball America and Baseball Prospectus, that would be exciting news to some White Sox fans.
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Old 02-11-2017, 11:31 PM
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And because Wieters is a former No. 1 prospect, rated as such by both Baseball America and Baseball Prospectus, that would be exciting news to some White Sox fans.
Maybe to some White Sox fans, exciting news would be something other than a giant pile of hot garbage at the catcher position for the first time in four seasons. Buster Posey Wieters ain't, but he's better than what the Sox have been trotting out there.
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Old 02-11-2017, 11:32 PM
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Maybe to some White Sox fans, exciting news would be something other than a giant pile of hot garbage at the catcher position for the first time in four seasons. Buster Posey Wieters ain't, but he's better than what the Sox have been trotting out there.
Absolutely correct sir! He's a legit catcher...something the Sox haven't had since A.J.

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Old 02-11-2017, 11:37 PM
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Absolutely correct sir! He's a legit catcher...something the Sox haven't had since A.J.

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The only problem with Weiters is his injury history. Can he stay healthy enough to stay on the field. Particularly as he now enters his thirties. But I think he would make a good stop gap for a couple years until Collins is ready.... if... he can stay healthy.
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Old 02-12-2017, 04:50 AM
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Why is Wieters necessary? He on the market for a reason. He's not rated very highly with the hula-hoop statistic of pitch framing, he's quite expensive and generally not the type of player you take a chance on when committed to a tear down and rebuild. He'd be one more asset to deal at the deadline if he, and that's if he, actually increases his value.

Sure Wieters is a better defensive player based on the numbers he put up with the Orioles as compared to the numbers Narvaez (one abbreviated year) has put up and presumably the numbers Soto would put up with the White Sox. If defense is why Wieters is being considered why not keep Kevan Smith who has proven to be very good defensively at far less of a cost?

Unless Wieters lowers his asking price tremendously (Boras correct?) why spend more dollars on a guy that takes spots away from younger players? Especially a younger player who is quite capable of defending his position?
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Why is Wieters necessary? He on the market for a reason. He's not rated very highly with the hula-hoop statistic of pitch framing,

It's a mystery to me. Pitch framing is on the Pitcher, not the Catcher.
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Old 02-13-2017, 05:07 PM
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And because Wieters is a former No. 1 prospect, rated as such by both Baseball America and Baseball Prospectus, that would be exciting news to some White Sox fans.
If the Sox traded for a similar prospect I'd be pretty happy. Multiple gold glove winning catchers with 20+ HR ability aren't exactly growing on trees.
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Why is Wieters necessary? He on the market for a reason. He's not rated very highly with the hula-hoop statistic of pitch framing, he's quite expensive and generally not the type of player you take a chance on when committed to a tear down and rebuild. He'd be one more asset to deal at the deadline if he, and that's if he, actually increases his value.

Sure Wieters is a better defensive player based on the numbers he put up with the Orioles as compared to the numbers Narvaez (one abbreviated year) has put up and presumably the numbers Soto would put up with the White Sox. If defense is why Wieters is being considered why not keep Kevan Smith who has proven to be very good defensively at far less of a cost?

Unless Wieters lowers his asking price tremendously (Boras correct?) why spend more dollars on a guy that takes spots away from younger players? Especially a younger player who is quite capable of defending his position?
Why are so worried about cost? It's not like the Sox are short on funds
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Why are so worried about cost? It's not like the Sox are short on funds
Why throw good money after bad?
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Old 02-14-2017, 12:48 PM
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Why throw good money after bad?
Because if Weiters rebounds and does a good job either you have a good catcher fora few years or you can sell him off for even more younger talent
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