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Old 08-03-2014, 09:33 PM
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Default 2014 - One of the Worst Bullpens in Sox History

-5 different White Sox relievers allowed multiple ER today. up to today the most in history had been 4

-15 runs allowed by White Sox bullpen today tied franchise record set in 1923 and 1936
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Old 08-03-2014, 09:43 PM
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In 2007 the Sox' bullpen was bad. Those were the days we used "Ryan Bukvich" and "Mike MacDougal" as synonyms for industrial waste. At that time I wrote a gag poem because it was easier to laugh than to cry. Unbelievably, this year the bullpen is so much worse that even the silly poem doesn't ease the heartburn. But it's worth a shot:


Once upon a long night dreary, while I pondered, tired and beery
Over many an odd and trivial matter of old White Sox lore,
While I nodded, idly scowling, suddenly there came a growling,
As of someone's noisy howling, howling at the bullpen door.
"'Tis some groundskeeper," I muttered, "howling at the bullpen door.
Only this and nothing more."

Ah, distinctly I recall it, when the bat was on the ball it
Brought such noise above the wall it brought the runner home to score.
Eagerly I wished the new day; - vainly I had cried a "hoo-ray"
From my seat along the aisleway (aisleways whose clutter I abhor)
For the rare and radiant pitcher whom the coaches named NoScore -
Nameless here for evermore.

Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing,
Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before
But the silence was unbroken, and the darkness gave no token,
And the only word there spoken was the whispered word, `NoScore!'
This I whispered, and an echo murmured back the word, `NoScore!'
Merely this and nothing more.

Open here they flung the bullpen, when, from what had been a fool-pen,
There had stepped a stately southpaw of the saintly days of yore.
Not the least obeisance made he; not a minute stopped or stayed he;
But, with thousands going crazy, took his spot amid the roar -
Perched upon a rubber stepstone just above mounded floor -
Perched, and stood, and nothing more.

This I sat engaged in guessing, but no syllable expressing
To the man whose fiery eyes now burned into the batter's core;
This and more I sat divining, with my head at ease reclining
On the seatback's plastic lining that the park-light gloated o'er,
But the scoreboard's animations with the lamp-light gloating o'er,
We shall see, ah, nevermore!

Pitcher!' said I, `thing of evil! - pitcher still, if player or devil!
By that Heaven that bends above us - by that Oz we both adore -
Tell this soul with sorrow burning if, with stomach slowly churning,
He shall clasp a happy scorecard that indicates No Score -
Clasp a rare and treasured scorecard, where the others do not score?'
Quoth the pitcher, `Nevermore.'

And the pitcher, never saving, strikes a-craving, still is shaving
On the fuzzy edge of strikezone just above the batter's floor;
And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon's that is dreaming,
And the park-light o'er him streaming as he yields an ugly score;
And my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor
Shall be lifted - nevermore!


(With apologies to E. A. Poe. He had to have been a Sox fan.)
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Old 08-04-2014, 12:08 AM
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Your poems are always helpful.
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Old 08-04-2014, 02:17 AM
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Horrific bullpen. Absolutely pathetic. What else is there to say? I don't trust any of them on the bump.
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Old 08-04-2014, 06:19 AM
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Horrific bullpen. Absolutely pathetic. What else is there to say? I don't trust any of them on the bump.
Coop will fix them.
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Old 08-04-2014, 08:13 AM
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Coop will fix them.
Coop won't fix them.

But he will come on the radio later this week to convince us that all is good and we are imagining things.
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Old 08-04-2014, 10:00 AM
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Coop won't fix them.

But he will come on the radio later this week to convince us that all is good and we are imagining things.
Don't forget that he'll be sure to imply that fans can't be thought to actually know enough about baseball to have a meaningful opinion.
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Old 08-04-2014, 04:04 PM
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Coop will fix them.
Coop should shoot them, but since that is not allowed, just get rid of 'em.
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Old 08-04-2014, 04:07 PM
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Coop won't fix them.

But he will come on the radio later this week to convince us that all is good and we are imagining things.
It's possible I'm misremembering the timeline here, I haven't followed the team as closely in August as I usually do (long story short, have been working with a firm based on the West Coast so my work hours lately have been like 11 AM-8 PM Central time) but wasn't the bullpen pitching better for a while and haven't things essentially gone to **** since Cooper was out for a bit with a health struggle?
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Old 08-04-2014, 04:57 PM
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Thiggy has been here to take up the slack... The same Thiggy that said, at the start of the 2013 season, that the Sox bullpen was the best in baseball..
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Old 08-04-2014, 05:04 PM
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It's possible I'm misremembering the timeline here, I haven't followed the team as closely in August as I usually do (long story short, have been working with a firm based on the West Coast so my work hours lately have been like 11 AM-8 PM Central time) but wasn't the bullpen pitching better for a while and haven't things essentially gone to **** since Cooper was out for a bit with a health struggle?
If you take out the last four games against the Twins, the bullpen hasn't been bad of late. Belisario pitched 1.2 innings against the Tigers on Thursday, allowing only one baserunner and no runs, holding the Tigers and earning a relief win as the Sox scored three late. His last five non-Twins appearances have been scoreless. Against the Twins this season, Belisaio has appeared in seven games, including one last week, pitched three innings and allowed 11 earned runs. Against the Tigers, he has appeared in five games, pitched 7.2 innings and has an ERA of 1.17, giving up only two runs, half of which were unearned.
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Old 08-05-2014, 12:19 PM
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Has anyone done the calculation of what our record would be if the bullpen was just league average in runs allowed? I'm not sure how to do such an analysis, but I have to imagine we'd have 5-7 more wins.
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Old 08-05-2014, 12:35 PM
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Has anyone done the calculation of what our record would be if the bullpen was just league average in runs allowed? I'm not sure how to do such an analysis, but I have to imagine we'd have 5-7 more wins.
Assuming around 10 runs equals a win (http://www.fangraphs.com/library/mis...-runs-to-wins/)
if the Sox had an average BP they'd have 3ish more wins.

Sox - 172 runs
Lg Avg - 144 runs

Also if you'd like to compare the 2014 pen's #'s to previous seasons:
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...rs=0&sort=17,d
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Old 08-05-2014, 12:45 PM
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In 2007 the Sox' bullpen was bad. Those were the days we used "Ryan Bukvich" and "Mike MacDougal" as synonyms for industrial waste. At that time I wrote a gag poem because it was easier to laugh than to cry. Unbelievably, this year the bullpen is so much worse that even the silly poem doesn't ease the heartburn. But it's worth a shot:


Once upon a long night dreary, while I pondered, tired and beery
Over many an odd and trivial matter of old White Sox lore,
While I nodded, idly scowling, suddenly there came a growling,
As of someone's noisy howling, howling at the bullpen door.
"'Tis some groundskeeper," I muttered, "howling at the bullpen door.
Only this and nothing more."

Ah, distinctly I recall it, when the bat was on the ball it
Brought such noise above the wall it brought the runner home to score.
Eagerly I wished the new day; - vainly I had cried a "hoo-ray"
From my seat along the aisleway (aisleways whose clutter I abhor)
For the rare and radiant pitcher whom the coaches named NoScore -
Nameless here for evermore.

Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing,
Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before
But the silence was unbroken, and the darkness gave no token,
And the only word there spoken was the whispered word, `NoScore!'
This I whispered, and an echo murmured back the word, `NoScore!'
Merely this and nothing more.

Open here they flung the bullpen, when, from what had been a fool-pen,
There had stepped a stately southpaw of the saintly days of yore.
Not the least obeisance made he; not a minute stopped or stayed he;
But, with thousands going crazy, took his spot amid the roar -
Perched upon a rubber stepstone just above mounded floor -
Perched, and stood, and nothing more.

This I sat engaged in guessing, but no syllable expressing
To the man whose fiery eyes now burned into the batter's core;
This and more I sat divining, with my head at ease reclining
On the seatback's plastic lining that the park-light gloated o'er,
But the scoreboard's animations with the lamp-light gloating o'er,
We shall see, ah, nevermore!

Pitcher!' said I, `thing of evil! - pitcher still, if player or devil!
By that Heaven that bends above us - by that Oz we both adore -
Tell this soul with sorrow burning if, with stomach slowly churning,
He shall clasp a happy scorecard that indicates No Score -
Clasp a rare and treasured scorecard, where the others do not score?'
Quoth the pitcher, `Nevermore.'

And the pitcher, never saving, strikes a-craving, still is shaving
On the fuzzy edge of strikezone just above the batter's floor;
And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon's that is dreaming,
And the park-light o'er him streaming as he yields an ugly score;
And my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor
Shall be lifted - nevermore!


(With apologies to E. A. Poe. He had to have been a Sox fan.)
I don't know if its the attention span thing, or if the bullpen has some of us jaded, this deserves credit. You really outdid yourself. If we ever meet the first two are on me.
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Old 08-05-2014, 01:11 PM
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Has anyone done the calculation of what our record would be if the bullpen was just league average in runs allowed? I'm not sure how to do such an analysis, but I have to imagine we'd have 5-7 more wins.
I don't know if such a thing would serve any purpose because everything a bullpen does is situational and averages tend to lose their meaning. The bullpen could have given up four runs in four innings Sunday, and the Sox still would have lost. There was a game this year where Belisario pitched three innings, gave up a run in his third inning of work, which is probably pretty close to average, and the Sox lost the game in 12. There have been games where the bullpen has given up no runs in four innings or more -- against the Cubs, bullpen had a game with five shutout innings, including two from Belisario, and they won the game in 12. Maybe an average bullpen would have lost that one.

You can look at last-inning blown saves, when you have the lead Petricka has two eighth-inning blown saves allowing inherited runners to score but is otherwise six-for-six in last-inning save opportunities. Belisario went eight-for-12 in such situations and Lindstrom went six-for-nine. Every team has blown saves, but the Sox have blown seven in the last inning and would have seven more wins if they were perfect.

Obviously games like the one in Baltimore where the Sox lost a four-run lead in the eighth stand out. But if you don't go to the bullpen, you have a game where Chris Sale let a 5-0 lead disappear in the eighth and many here insisted Ventura was incompetent for not going to the bullpen.
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