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Old 07-26-2014, 08:52 PM
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Default Chris Sale Cy Young Watch 2014

Based on Tanaka's start to the season, along with Darvish and Buehrle surprising people, Sale didn't seem to be in the running.

Right now, the two favorites have to be Sale and King Felix. Sale has a slight advantage in ERA and WHIP. Sale is 10-1, Felix is 11-2.

Sale missed about five starts when he went down. I'm not sure if this works against him or not. Felix has pitched 48.1 more innings and has 51 more strikeouts.

Kazmir and Sonny Gray are both doing well with the A's and might be contenders. Buehrle is done. Garrett Richards is having a nice year with the Angels.
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Old 07-27-2014, 09:15 AM
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Sale is pitching for #2 right now. No one is catching Felix in the AL unless he gets hurt or Chris finishes with something truly gaudy like 1.50/0.75. Even then, Felix will be the king of WAR, which pretty much everyone takes into heavy consideration these days.

If you look at the history of the award, guys with a big innings deficit never win. Buchholz finished 6th in 2010 despite being at worst the #2 pitcher in the AL. Same story with Josh Johnson in the NL that year. Perhaps the most notorious example is Pedro in 2003. Very clearly the best pitcher on the planet, but loggng only 186 IP hurt him and he finished behind Halladay and a certain Esteban. The exception is closers for some inexplicable reason.

Anyway, I get the feeling that a runner-up finish will give Chris that little extra oomph to super-charge his starts in the postseason
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Does anyone know off hand if someone has won the award even having missed, in essence, a month of the season?
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I agree it's going to be hard for Sale to win it considering the time he missed. I would imagine he's going to need to win more games and have a better winning percentage than Hernandez. It's possible, of course, but the bullpen will likely continue to cost Sale victories. That's going to be tough to overcome.
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Old 07-27-2014, 11:23 AM
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Does anyone know off hand if someone has won the award even having missed, in essence, a month of the season?
I can't think of anyone off the top of my head, but how many people are putting up numbers like Sale: best ERA, best BAA, better WHIP and missed bats, double-digit K performances at times. In a one game winner take all right now between Sale and Felix, I'm going Sale. Both are guys who will begin each year here for the foreseeable future as a legit Cy Young contender.

Considering contracts, Sale IMO is a much better choice here for the next few years if he stays off the DL. You could get a valuable upgrade in the rotation for the difference in their contracts. That may not help him win an award but could means he's a much better financial value for his performance. Considering our payroll situation versus top spenders, I feel we're better off with Sale's deal.

Usually if someone misses a few weeks or a month and can still win an award, it's the ROY because you could have an early season call-up win it. Unless the Sox can get above .500 and in wild card contention, it will go to Felix. However, if these guys continue to make this a 2-horse race, it will be a farce if they don't finish 1-2.
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Right now it's Felix 1 Sale 2. But there is still over 2 months of baseball to be played out. Sale has a legit shot to be the first White Sox to win it since McDowell in '93.
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Right now it's Felix 1 Sale 2. But there is still over 2 months of baseball to be played out. Sale has a legit shot to be the first White Sox to win it since McDowell in '93.
Right, still 1/3 of the season left. Lots can happen, but Sale is right there for now.
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It's King Felix's to lose unless Sale as an August and September to remember and the White Sox make a run at the postseason. Altough Kershaw missed a month too and people are putting him a Cy Young favorite in the NL.
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It's King Felix's to lose unless Sale as an August and September to remember and the White Sox make a run at the postseason. Altough Kershaw missed a month too and people are putting him a Cy Young favorite in the NL.
This. Then again, Kershaw was a no doubter All Star, and Sale had to be voted in...to say there is a media bias would be stating the obvious.
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This. Then again, Kershaw was a no doubter All Star, and Sale had to be voted in...to say there is a media bias would be stating the obvious.
That has nothing to do with media bias and everything to do with the talent level of the NL starting pitchers compared to the AL.
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Old 07-27-2014, 07:10 PM
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Kershaw already has a couple of Cy Youngs and is, therefore, more “established” than Sale. He'll be more likely to get a pass on his missed starts than Chris will; plus Felix and Sale are almost equally dominant whereas no one in the NL looks nearly as impressive on a regular basis as Clayton does.
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It's King Felix's to lose unless Sale as an August and September to remember and the White Sox make a run at the postseason. Altough Kershaw missed a month too and people are putting him a Cy Young favorite in the NL.
I don't think voters take postseason berth into account as much with the Cy Young as they do the MVP, given that Felix won the Cy Young in 2010 with only 13 wins on a team that lost 101 games, means the voters are more interested in awarding the Cy Young to the best overall pitcher and not just a good player on the best team in the league.
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The whole idea of making the postseason having an impact on CY Young or MVP is stupid anyway. This isn't the NBA, there are 25 guys on a team.
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I don't think voters take postseason berth into account as much with the Cy Young as they do the MVP, given that Felix won the Cy Young in 2010 with only 13 wins on a team that lost 101 games, means the voters are more interested in awarding the Cy Young to the best overall pitcher and not just a good player on the best team in the league.
He was also led the league in ERA (2.27), pitching WAR (7.1 with 5.6 being the next highest), and hits per 9. He was also 2nd in WHIP, 2nd in Ks (by 1), 3rd in CG, and 7th in Ks per 9. If Lester had a better ERA or Price more Ks, he would have had more competition.

As for Kershaw, he's starting to enter Randy Johnson and Greg Maddux territory. He may not win 4 in a row, but he does have a 1-2-1-??? finish. That could be 3 and a runner-up in a 4-year span.

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