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Old 07-09-2014, 11:36 PM
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He is an upgrade from Flowers, but bringing him back would be a waste of his time and a waste of the Sox' time as well. It would be one thing if this team had a chance to make a push for the playoffs -- but it doesn't.

Given that this is not a contending team, the idea is to search for a long-term solution at the position. Flowers is proving that he is not that guy. A.J., at age 37, is not that guy either.

Could Nieto be that guy? Maybe. The Sox should increase his playing time and decrease Flowers' playing time as the season progresses. Bringing A.J. in would only stand in the way of that process. And I don't think A.J. is really wired to be a mentor for young players, so I would only take him as a starter, not as a backup. He's one of my all-time favorite Sox, and I hope he catches on with a contender. I don't think he's the right fit for our club.
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Old 07-10-2014, 02:12 AM
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I agree that Flowers is not the answer, I agree Phegley sucks, but just also saying, if this was ANY OTHER CATCHER WITH THOSE STATS, we wouldn't have a thread started about them, with people acting like Carlton Fisk just hit the market.

No to AJ. Lets get a real solution at C.

If the Sox wanted to make a bold move, there have been rumors that Brian McCann hates NY and its too high profile for him. If the Yanks recognize this, why not try and grab him. He is owed some money, but we have it to spend.
I challenge you to find one post in this entire thread that has a person acting like Carlton Fisk just hit the market.
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Old 07-10-2014, 06:59 AM
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I challenge you to find one post in this entire thread that has a person acting like Carlton Fisk just hit the market.
Well, in his defense the best thing people have said about AJ in this thread is that he's better than Flowers, but realistically, 66-year-old Carlton Fisk might be better than Flowers, too.
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Old 07-10-2014, 09:18 AM
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I love AJ and his personality - and his is one of the few Sox jerseys I own.

He'd be an upgrade over Flowers, for sure, but is probably past his usefulness in MLB...

But, he's totally HOF eligible... stats notwithstanding - All-Star, calls a great game, dropped third strike, 2012 "Most Hated Player", spiking the 1st baseman, hard slides... a total gamer.

Do they have a "Villains" section in Cooperstown? Hope he wears a Sox cap
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Old 07-10-2014, 09:34 AM
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Classy move by the Sawx to throw AJ under the bus on his way out the door:

http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/ba...-anybody-could
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Old 07-10-2014, 10:17 AM
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Classy move by the Sawx to throw AJ under the bus on his way out the door:

http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/ba...-anybody-could
This is exactly why I don't want him anywhere around this young team. The lack of hustle, bat tossing and poor approach at the plate are horrible influences. He also doesn't work well with young pitchers and barely even tries to block pitches in the dirt anymore.
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Old 07-10-2014, 10:33 AM
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This is exactly why I don't want him anywhere around this young team. The lack of hustle, bat tossing and poor approach at the plate are horrible influences. He also doesn't work well with young pitchers and barely even tries to block pitches in the dirt anymore.
From what I've heard- some of this same dynamic is the reason Hahn let him go a few years ago- he was not popular at all in the White Sox clubhouse in his last season with the team-
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Old 07-10-2014, 10:35 AM
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This is exactly why I don't want him anywhere around this young team. The lack of hustle, bat tossing and poor approach at the plate are horrible influences. He also doesn't work well with young pitchers and barely even tries to block pitches in the dirt anymore.
Where did you get that one from? Doesn't work well with young pitchers? Chris Sale, Bobby Jenks, Jon Garland, Jose Quintana, Gavin Floyd, Addison Reed, Nate Jones, Sergio Santos, Johnny Danks, Clayton Richard, and many more all "cut their teeth" with AJ Pierzynski as their catcher and performed well. He even caught a perfect game with young Phillip freakin' Humber! I can see that you have issues with AJ Pierzynski but at least stick to arguments rooted in fact.
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Old 07-10-2014, 10:37 AM
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Classy move by the Sawx to throw AJ under the bus on his way out the door:

http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/ba...-anybody-could
Gregg Walker from Atlanta is first up in the Comments section. I doubt it is Greg Walker
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Old 07-10-2014, 10:39 AM
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One should also remember, when trying to go after AJ by pointing to the Red Sox and Giants tenures as proof that he is a bad guy, that they are holding up clubhouses as examples that-

1. Threw a hissy fit when someone mentioned that maybe playing cards and drinking beer during games isn't real productive toward winning those games AND

2. Harbored and catered to Barry Bonds for a decade.

I don't know if AJ is a pain in the butt or not. It really shouldn't matter. You're not signing him to be the centerpiece of your team. You'd be signing him to take over for your terrible catcher you have now. Are we really worried about some of these people getting their feelings hurt?
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Old 07-10-2014, 10:43 AM
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Where did you get that one from? Doesn't work well with young pitchers? Chris Sale, Bobby Jenks, Jon Garland, Jose Quintana, Gavin Floyd, Addison Reed, Nate Jones, Sergio Santos, Johnny Danks, Clayton Richard, and many more all "cut their teeth" with AJ Pierzynski as their catcher and performed well. He even caught a perfect game with young Phillip freakin' Humber! I can see that you have issues with AJ Pierzynski but at least stick to arguments rooted in fact.
That's his reputation around the league so I'm confident that it's merited. All those guys were either high draft picks or learned a cutter from Cooper and some of those guys preferred pitching to the back up catcher.
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Old 07-10-2014, 10:47 AM
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I've always found it odd that a guy who's known for throwing hissy fits, pouting and not running out ground balls could be so well liked among Sox fans. We're also the only fan base that likes him throughout baseball.

Regardless, he's old, can't hit and can't defend. What's the point?
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Old 07-10-2014, 10:54 AM
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Regardless, he's old, can't hit and can't defend. What's the point?
I think this is only a possibility in the minds of some because despite those faults, he's still better than what the Sox have. Throw in the emotional aspect of it for some fans and it's a slam dunk.

Personally, I don't care one way or another, but to argue the con against him is pretty much an emotional stance on whether you like him or not because I don't think there's any doubt that regardless of how bad AJ is, he's still better than the Sox' current catching situation.
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Old 07-10-2014, 11:17 AM
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Agreed.

I don't want that baby anywhere near a rebuilding team. He might be friends with PK and Beckham, but they'll probably be gone in a couple weeks too.
There's a barely nonzero chance PK isn't on the team on the last day of the season, barring injury. He's got no trade value, and his farewell tour will be the only thing getting people to buy tickets in September (Jose Abreu's awesomeness notwithstanding).

You're right about Beckham though.
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Old 07-10-2014, 12:20 PM
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Where did you get that one from? Doesn't work well with young pitchers? Chris Sale, Bobby Jenks, Jon Garland, Jose Quintana, Gavin Floyd, Addison Reed, Nate Jones, Sergio Santos, Johnny Danks, Clayton Richard, and many more all "cut their teeth" with AJ Pierzynski as their catcher and performed well. He even caught a perfect game with young Phillip freakin' Humber! I can see that you have issues with AJ Pierzynski but at least stick to arguments rooted in fact.
There has always been a lot of Buzz that AJ was not a pitchers preference to throw too and he caused issues with pitchers. Here in Chicago, you heard a lot of whispers, in Minnesota you heard them, in SF and in Texas and now Boston. He was dealt from SF because he had a knack for playing cards instead of discussing strategy with pitchers before games.

Sometimes, where there is smoke, there is fire. Unless you really believe the entire world is just conspiring against AJP.
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