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Old 07-09-2014, 03:27 PM
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Well, I'll be the first to say it: I think he's an improvement over Flowers.
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Old 07-09-2014, 03:29 PM
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True. But, no one ever wants to go on the record about an ex-teammate,either.

I think AJ was tough on youngsters...like Tyler Flowers...no love lost.
Maybe AJ just already knew how Flowers sucks at baseball-
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Old 07-09-2014, 03:30 PM
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Are you really a meathead for wanting to see a stop gap catcher replace the awful Tyler Flowers? Since June 1st, "Flow" is 9 for 88 (.102 avg) with 42Ks. He has been in free fall since May (24 for his last 162 with 77Ks .148 avg). Flowers is hitting for low power, his pitch framing skills rank in the bottom third of the AL, and he is also leads the AL in passed balls. In short, you would be hard pressed to find a worse everyday catcher in MLB. Would a stop gap like AJ really be that bad to pick up for next to nothing?
Pierzynski is not the answer at this point for all the reasons given in other posts. But I'm glad you posted those numbers because I've thought since the beginning of last season that the Sox must be able to do better than Flowers. He's a AA catcher at best and watching him at bat is simply painful.

Nieto isn't the long-term answer either, but he should be getting more playing time just because he's an improvement. Flowers is virtually an automatic out, and his passed-ball numbers are maddening.

Having said all that I'd love to see Pierzynski back with the Sox in some capacity. It's tough to find bigger fan favorites than A.J., Buehrle, and Konerko have been.
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Old 07-09-2014, 03:34 PM
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Was there anything more than anecdotal evidence to support the whole "AJ was not liked in the clubhouse" angle? Our team captain, Paul Konerko as well as Gordon Beckham remain friends with AJ despite no longer being teammates.
I personally don't need to see AJ slamming his bat, yelling ****!! from the top of his lungs, and jog to first base after his groundout to 2B. Seems to me this happened on average once a game over his last three/four years here. We've got a young team that's hustling and I'd prefer not to see AJ have a negative influence on that. He also pouts when he doesn't play.

All this and he's 37 w/a an OPS barely north of .600? With terrible defense? No thanks. We can cut Flowers, that's fine, but AJ is not right for this team.
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Old 07-09-2014, 03:36 PM
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Nieto isn't the long-term answer either, but he should be getting more playing time just because he's an improvement.
We don't know that. He's essentially a AA catcher right now. We stole him. And yes give him more time and probably next year in the minors to develop and to see what we have.
AJ is a bad player right now. No reason to bring him and his personality into this clubhouse. Hope we end up with another C prospect after this trading season.
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Old 07-09-2014, 03:42 PM
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Nieto isn't the long-term answer either, but he should be getting more playing time just because he's an improvement.
Why do you think he's not the answer? Not snark. Really asking. I haven't seen enough of him to know, but he's a young, seemingly talented kid. Why is he for sure not the answer? He jumped from single-A to the majors. The fact that he hasn't looked like he's completely overmatched every time out there bodes well, methinks.
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Old 07-09-2014, 03:52 PM
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Why do you think he's not the answer? Not snark. Really asking. I haven't seen enough of him to know, but he's a young, seemingly talented kid. Why is he for sure not the answer? He jumped from single-A to the majors. The fact that he hasn't looked like he's completely overmatched every time out there bodes well, methinks.
Yea, I actually think Nieto is part of the long term answer at catcher. He's over matched now and is doing some on the job learning but he looks okay.
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Old 07-09-2014, 04:06 PM
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Pierzynski is not the answer at this point for all the reasons given in other posts. But I'm glad you posted those numbers because I've thought since the beginning of last season that the Sox must be able to do better than Flowers. He's a AA catcher at best and watching him at bat is simply painful.

Nieto isn't the long-term answer either, but he should be getting more playing time just because he's an improvement. Flowers is virtually an automatic out, and his passed-ball numbers are maddening.

Having said all that I'd love to see Pierzynski back with the Sox in some capacity. It's tough to find bigger fan favorites than A.J., Buehrle, and Konerko have been.
My thoughts as well. Nieto may be a solid backup, but he obviously needs more minor league time, which we can't give him this year.

It would be cool to see A.J. and Paul retire together in a Sox uniform.

And I'd love to see Hahn pry a quality near-ready catching prospect from another team at the deadline. Alexei to the Yankees for Gary Sanchez?
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Old 07-09-2014, 04:20 PM
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I personally don't need to see AJ slamming his bat, yelling ****!! from the top of his lungs, and jog to first base after his groundout to 2B. Seems to me this happened on average once a game over his last three/four years here. We've got a young team that's hustling and I'd prefer not to see AJ have a negative influence on that. He also pouts when he doesn't play.

All this and he's 37 w/a an OPS barely north of .600? With terrible defense? No thanks. We can cut Flowers, that's fine, but AJ is not right for this team.
Agreed.

I don't want that baby anywhere near a rebuilding team. He might be friends with PK and Beckham, but they'll probably be gone in a couple weeks too.
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Eh, let's save our outrage for the Sox bring him on as an ambassador in 2 years.
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Old 07-09-2014, 04:43 PM
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If he clears waivers, it wouldnt cost the Sox much.
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I would be ok with him coming back. Flowers is horrible.
If the Sox bring AJ back at the league minimum, why not? He is an improvement over Flowers and, after all, Flowers is not a long term solution.

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Nieto isn't the long-term answer either, but he should be getting more playing time just because he's an improvement.
I think Nieto has upside. He is a switch hitter who I think can hit pretty well, especially from the left side. I would like to see Nieto get more playing time now. And I do think that the Sox did well getting Nieto in the Rule V draft.
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Old 07-09-2014, 05:01 PM
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Well, I'll be the first to say it: I think he's an improvement over Flowers.
Yes, so would my ass swinging a bat.
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Old 07-09-2014, 05:15 PM
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I'll take AJ over Flowers any day and if the Sox are really interested in making a run at Detroit or the Wild Card they would pick him up if he cleared wavers. Flowers is a massive disappointment and they need to move on from him. Right now Flowers second in AL with 100 K's and first with 7 passed balls.

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Old 07-09-2014, 05:16 PM
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He's good enough to manage a team for me. Smart and baseball smart. Does he have the personality or desire to manage? I'm not sure. If I were Robin, I wouldn't want him hanging around regardless. Sort of a Lovie and Ron Rivera situation.

Retiring with PK? I'm OK with the timing, but not with stealing part of PK's rightly earned spotlight. Enough of an upgrade over Flowers to justify the move with a team that's going where we all know this team is going? Not for me.

I still want him back, somehow, some time. Front office?
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Old 07-09-2014, 05:22 PM
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If he clears waivers, it wouldnt cost the Sox much.
No, it wouldn't. The Red Sox are likely hoping they can swing a deal to relieve the salary burden.

I don't know that any team that Pierzynski has played for would take him back. Maybe the Twins. The White Sox had two chances to sign him at points when they were in need of catching. This off-season, Hahn was trying to trade for catching and drafted a catcher Rule V.

I don't think the White Sox want him back, and I don't think it's about money.
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