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Old 01-17-2014, 12:32 PM
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Default White Sox agree to terms with De Aza, Beckham

Just popped up on my Facebook news feed, no official release from the official site yet...

https://www.facebook.com/notes/chica...52544684563047

Both get 1-year deals to avoid arbitration. $4.175 M for Gordon, $4.5 for Alejandro.

If I'm doing my math correct, that is now about $87 million committed to 15 players for 2014
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Old 01-17-2014, 12:49 PM
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$8.5 million for both those guys, think of that.

That's how outrageous this whole thing is.

Both guys are barely replacement level.

Marcus Semien can't do what Beckham does for $500k?

Why not just release them two and take the money to scouting or make a last push for Tanaka?
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Old 01-17-2014, 12:54 PM
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$8.5 million for both those guys, think of that.

That's how outrageous this whole thing is.

Both guys are barely replacement level.

Marcus Semien can't do what Beckham does for $500k?

Why not just release them two and take the money to scouting or make a last push for Tanaka?
As frustrating as ADA is, he earns that check. Beckham is just a travesty though.
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Old 01-17-2014, 01:32 PM
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$8.5 million for both those guys, think of that.

That's how outrageous this whole thing is.

Both guys are barely replacement level.

Marcus Semien can't do what Beckham does for $500k?

Why not just release them two and take the money to scouting or make a last push for Tanaka?

Because (at a minimum) they both can generate trade value to bring some talent back into the organization.

(I'm still not giving up on Beckham- lots of injuries in 2013- while he seemed to be figuring it out at the plate)
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Because (at a minimum) they both can generate trade value to bring some talent back into the organization.

(I'm still not giving up on Beckham- lots of injuries in 2013- while he seemed to be figuring it out at the plate)
Both have zero trade value. Why do you think they re still here.

Sox are just trying to hold on to hope here, at least for Beckham.

They need to realize he's a bust and just move on.
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Old 01-17-2014, 02:49 PM
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Both have zero trade value. Why do you think they re still here.

Sox are just trying to hold on to hope here, at least for Beckham.

They need to realize he's a bust and just move on.
Solid 2nd baseman on defense- hit .300+, with OPS ~.760 for June/July (which over a full season would put him between Hendrick and Kinsler among AL 2nd basemen) after coming back from injury and before more injuries set in-

The White Sox are not in a position to simply dump viable major league talent and get nothing in return- IF Beckham can do that over a full season- someone will want him and they can get some talent in return for their overall rebuilding.

DeAza could be very good 4th OF on a contender-

Talent like that can bring some return from a contender who gets hit with injuries during the season-

Their salaries will in no way impede whatever they plan on offering Tanaka-

Semian committed 28 errors across AA/AAA/MLB in 2013- so I'm sure they's like him to stabilize his defense with another year of minor league "seasoning" before asking him to be a starter at the major league level- which seems like a sound player development strategy to me-
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Old 01-17-2014, 03:00 PM
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The thing about Gordon Beckham is I have this dreadful feeling that as long as he's with the Sox, he'll never be able to put it together but then as soon as he goes to a different team he'll become a beast and he'll especially torch the Sox whenever he plays them.
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I'm glad they're both signed.

I still like Beckham. He's 27. Still has some growth potential in the next five years. Plays solid D.

ADA gives us some outfield flexibility.

Neither is making a ton of money (in baseball terms). It's a couple of days worth of gate receipts for both.
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I think they were trying to trade these guys, but it just didn't happen. The price for De Aza is acceptable. Beckham showed some signs of adjusting, but his wrist injury might still be a concern. I'm okay with letting Semien get everyday time in Charlotte. I think he is ready, but at the same time, the organization can take their time with him.
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Solid 2nd baseman on defense- hit .300+, with OPS ~.760 for June/July (which over a full season would put him between Hendrick and Kinsler among AL 2nd basemen) after coming back from injury and before more injuries set in-

The White Sox are not in a position to simply dump viable major league talent and get nothing in return- IF Beckham can do that over a full season- someone will want him and they can get some talent in return for their overall rebuilding.

DeAza could be very good 4th OF on a contender-

Talent like that can bring some return from a contender who gets hit with injuries during the season-

Their salaries will in no way impede whatever they plan on offering Tanaka-

Semian committed 28 errors across AA/AAA/MLB in 2013- so I'm sure they's like him to stabilize his defense with another year of minor league "seasoning" before asking him to be a starter at the major league level- which seems like a sound player development strategy to me-
I think there's a bigger sample size here already than just hanging your hat on June/July last season.

Yes, $4million is not a ton of money. But is still an unecessary scratch.

You start filling your roster with all these known (average/bad) commodities at $4 million per, and now you have $16 million wasted that could be paid to a star down the line, in July.


Just put a young inexpensive player in there.

Rebuild this thing.
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I think there's a bigger sample size here already than just hanging your hat on June/July last season.

Yes, $4million is not a ton of money. But is still an unecessary scratch.

You start filling your roster with all these known (average/bad) commodities at $4 million per, and now you have $16 million wasted that could be paid to a star down the line, in July.


Just put a young inexpensive player in there.

Rebuild this thing.
I know it's a small sample size- but Beckham had a strong finish to 2012, a good spring training and start (before the April injury) and the 2 good months before starting to get banged up again- it looks to me that if he can stay healthy he may be turning the corner. I think he's worth one more shot- before giving up on him.
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I know it's a small sample size- but Beckham had a strong finish to 2012, a good spring training and start (before the April injury) and the 2 good months before starting to get banged up again- it looks to me that if he can stay healthy he may be turning the corner. I think he's worth one more shot- before giving up on him.
I don't care much for De Aza but I'd go one more year with Gordo, I like that he realized that a change was needed and he changed his batting stance. If he stays healthy the whole year and he doesn't improve as hitter then it's will be time to say goodbye.
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Let's look at the positives - De Aza will be riding the pine on opening day.
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I think there's a bigger sample size here already than just hanging your hat on June/July last season.

Yes, $4million is not a ton of money. But is still an unecessary scratch.

You start filling your roster with all these known (average/bad) commodities at $4 million per, and now you have $16 million wasted that could be paid to a star down the line, in July.


Just put a young inexpensive player in there.

Rebuild this thing.
I don't totally understand what you're getting at here. This team is likely going to be bad either way with Semien or Beckham starting at 2B, and are very unlikely to add any expensive talent at deadline. Even if they were, it's not like these contracts would inhibit that.

Furthermore,its not like Semien is a superstar who has nothing left to prove in the minors. He's shown a great ability to get on base, and I'm excited for his future, but he didn't exactly tear up AAA before his call up and he wasn't lights out in Chicago either. I'd rather see what you can get out of Beckham, De Aza, and Ramirez for potential trade bait during the season, and give Semien a chance to replicate what he did in Charlotte this season what he did in Birmingham last year.
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I know it's a small sample size- but Beckham had a strong finish to 2012, a good spring training and start (before the April injury) and the 2 good months before starting to get banged up again- it looks to me that if he can stay healthy he may be turning the corner. I think he's worth one more shot- before giving up on him.
Agree.
DFAing those guys would be lunacy.
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