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Old 12-19-2013, 08:53 PM
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At this point, I'm thinking Eaton, Davidson, and Quintana for Ichiro.
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Old 12-19-2013, 09:13 PM
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KW always gets his man... eventually.
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Old 12-19-2013, 09:21 PM
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KW always gets his man... eventually.
Yeah, it would probably be for Chone Figgins. Third base would be solved!
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Old 12-19-2013, 09:27 PM
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Yesterday Hahn said that KW wanted to rebuild for the last few years. Let's not pretend that KW doesn't have a huge hand in the make up of this team.

I never understood the KW hate.
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Old 12-19-2013, 10:14 PM
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Old 12-19-2013, 10:30 PM
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Yesterday Hahn said that KW wanted to rebuild for the last few years. Let's not pretend that KW doesn't have a huge hand in the make up of this team.

I never understood the KW hate.
Pretty much right on.

For the teams that he had assembled in the early to mid 2000s, he had the talent ready to win a World Series, so he shot from the hip and made some big moves to win. I appreciated that as a fan after living through the Scott Ruffcorn era.

He was close to doing the rebuild before the 2011 season but decided to give it one more try to Dunn, PK and AJ. Didn't work, so God Bless the front office. Hopefully things get back on track in a couple of years to the point where they can talk about making a big splash at the trade deadline to get that final missing piece.

The whole thing is cyclical, as it should be. I don't think anyone hates Kenny, but the Robbie Alomar or Carl Everett jokes are lame. Everett actually was a great pickup both times. Alomar somewhat fell off a cliff, but it beat the hell out of D'Angelo Jiminez getting caught sleeping on the basepaths.
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Old 12-19-2013, 10:58 PM
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What remains to be seen is if Hahn can get something of value from some of these veterans.
Otherwise, he's making a different nature of trade from KW; he's trading neither prospects nor veterans. He's trading some good team controlled players. Beneficial trades, but different types of trades than KW did.
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Old 12-19-2013, 11:03 PM
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Yesterday Hahn said that KW wanted to rebuild for the last few years. Let's not pretend that KW doesn't have a huge hand in the make up of this team.

I never understood the KW hate.
I think Hahn has also been giving KW some cover. This and keeping Ventura and last year signing Wise while he felt his way.
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Old 12-19-2013, 11:12 PM
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Wanting to rebuild in 2011 and signing Dunn seem to be inconsistent with each other. Can't have it both ways, men. If he did it in 2011, he'd still have his job, but he didn't, so he paid the price. So did we, for that matter.
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Pretty much right on.

For the teams that he had assembled in the early to mid 2000s, he had the talent ready to win a World Series, so he shot from the hip and made some big moves to win. I appreciated that as a fan after living through the Scott Ruffcorn era.

He was close to doing the rebuild before the 2011 season but decided to give it one more try to Dunn, PK and AJ. Didn't work, so God Bless the front office. Hopefully things get back on track in a couple of years to the point where they can talk about making a big splash at the trade deadline to get that final missing piece.

The whole thing is cyclical, as it should be. I don't think anyone hates Kenny, but the Robbie Alomar or Carl Everett jokes are lame. Everett actually was a great pickup both times. Alomar somewhat fell off a cliff, but it beat the hell out of D'Angelo Jiminez getting caught sleeping on the basepaths.
I agree. He's still the president of the team, though what the dynamics are of that position as it relates upstairs to Reinsdorf and, uhh, downstairs (?) to Hahn I do not know. It seems to me he didn't want to leave the team or organization completely (as it could be a job for life, in whatever capacity, or at least as long as Jerry Reinsdorf is owner), but didn't want to deal with the day-to-day stresses of being a GM, that it was affecting both his physical and mental health. I hold no ill will towards KW, even if I don't like how the team was handled in the last 5 or 6 years. And I'm cautiously optimistic of Hahn thus far.
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Pretty much right on.

For the teams that he had assembled in the early to mid 2000s, he had the talent ready to win a World Series, so he shot from the hip and made some big moves to win. I appreciated that as a fan after living through the Scott Ruffcorn era.

He was close to doing the rebuild before the 2011 season but decided to give it one more try to Dunn, PK and AJ. Didn't work, so God Bless the front office. Hopefully things get back on track in a couple of years to the point where they can talk about making a big splash at the trade deadline to get that final missing piece.

The whole thing is cyclical, as it should be. I don't think anyone hates Kenny, but the Robbie Alomar or Carl Everett jokes are lame. Everett actually was a great pickup both times. Alomar somewhat fell off a cliff, but it beat the hell out of D'Angelo Jiminez getting caught sleeping on the basepaths.
I agree, I get why people tired of him and are happy to see a fresh approach, but KW is still the lone GM in my lifetime to successfully get Reinsdorf to open up the wallet and put the Sox in the same level with other big market clubs in terms of payroll and then, oh yeah, actually built a team that on a World Series.
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:20 AM
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KW bleeds White Sox baseball and did whatever he thought was necessary to compete every year. He was a gunslinger that homered more than struck out and I'll always be thankful for him.

Hahn probably learned a lot from KW and is using a different approach, in a different era. Godspeed, Rick Hahn.
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:21 AM
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I think Hahn has also been giving KW some cover. This and keeping Ventura and last year signing Wise while he felt his way.
Cover for what? Ken Williams was the best GM of your life. He doesn't need to apologize for a damn thing.
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Old 12-20-2013, 02:07 AM
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The Sox have done the best they could do so far this year. But that doesnt mean this years acquisitions will be successful. No guarantees that this will work out. Williams is still involved no matter what people are thinking. I bet everything Hahn does 1st goes though Williams then of course upstairs. The big advantage Hahn and Williams have now is that they dont have to beg for that extra 50 cents. All the moves so far have been inexpensive (even Abreu considering how the market has turned). I would have had confidence in Williams if he was still GM in this situation.

Finally I just hope that resources are going to the scouting, minor leagues, international etc. Thats not Hahns or Williams call.
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