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Old 12-13-2013, 06:33 PM
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Please. Point to the few singular items out of the wealth of times I open my mouth.
I don't have that kind of time to point out the many times you've been wrong.

I'll just side with everyone else in this thread. I'll judge a player by what he actually does on the field instead of what I think he's supposed to do.
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Old 12-13-2013, 07:41 PM
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Thanks. Now I know you don't know how to evaluate a player.:
Neither do you, I take that into consideration with every post you make.
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Old 12-13-2013, 08:05 PM
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Wrong, he's a 3-4 until he proves he can throw a pitch worthy of a higher status.
Based on what?


A Loony piece was written on Quintana by a Mariners' blog that basically said that because Quintana, like Fister, was never a highly touted prospect, he therefore has low value and the Sox should be willing to trade him for a pittance, as the Ms did when they traded Fister for, essentially, Casper Wells.
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Old 12-13-2013, 09:18 PM
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Quintana couldn't hold De Los Santos' jock. Likely because De Los Santos' jock is in a private wing in Cooperstown at the moment...since he's a guaranteed hall of famer they built the wing in advance.
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Old 12-13-2013, 09:24 PM
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Hahahahahaha!!! Munch compared Quintana's production to Jim Parque's! Somebody needs to take another look at what Jim Parque's "production" was.
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Old 12-13-2013, 09:47 PM
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All I know is that I'm thrilled Rick Hahn didn't have to give up Quintana in the Adam Eaton trade. Then again, with the return the Angels got for Trumbo, they probably didn't want to risk the deal falling apart by trying to upgrade from Santiago to Quintana.
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Old 12-13-2013, 10:02 PM
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Judging ability off of production without care for anything else is undeniably optimistic. Almost trollish. Production does not equal talent.
Adam Dunn agrees 100%.
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Old 12-14-2013, 01:46 AM
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And that, to me, is one of the greatest things about baseball. Until a prospect starts to play, it is impossible to say what he will be become.

Mark Buehrle was a 38th round pick, for crying out loud! But he was such a great competitor and such a great craftsman that he became a top tier pitcher who has thrown a no-hitter and a perfect game, has started and won an All-Star game and who was a stalwart starting pitcher for a World Champion.

Not bad for a 38th round pick. And not bad scouting and development from the White Sox, either.
Yes, I see munch's point if we were talking about a minor league player, you can't just look at stats; guys are always working on mechanical issues, developing pitches, working on their stance, etc. So you can't say a guy who dominates at AA is destined to dominate in the Majors. It's just that way it is. But in the Majors, performance counts. And Quintana has been exceptionally good. That trumps whatever nonsense scouting there may be out there.
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Old 12-14-2013, 01:52 AM
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Yes, I see munch's point if we were talking about a minor league player, you can't just look at stats; guys are always working on mechanical issues, developing pitches, working on their stance, etc. So you can't say a guy who dominates at AA is destined to dominate in the Majors. It's just that way it is. But in the Majors, performance counts. And Quintana has been exceptionally good. That trumps whatever nonsense scouting there may be out there.
Doublem, you're the only one that's actually countering the point. And I accept that it could be right. But my case has been from the start that Quintana is NOT getting by with talent, he's getting by on his ability to hide his pitches, giving all of them a few more seconds to every hitter. It could last. It probably won't though. At least I wouldn't bet on it. But, yes, it could. And five/ten years from now, I could look like a clown. But I'm comfortable making my case, because it's not very likely this continues.
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Old 12-14-2013, 01:56 AM
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The man had an awesome ERA on a team with the 2nd worst defense in the majors last year. Whatever he's doing, he's doing it right.
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Old 12-14-2013, 08:18 AM
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I'd rather have a 4 that pitches like a 2... than a 2 that pitches like a 4.
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Old 12-14-2013, 08:29 AM
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And five/ten years from now, I could look like a clown.
Why wait?
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Old 12-14-2013, 08:58 AM
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As much as you want to point to "look at this small sample size" while ignoring ability, this story happens over and over again. Yeah, high end talent doesn't always translate. But low end talent production also almost never continues. Plenty of guys are good their first few years and fall off. It's not even uncommon. Lack of talent and increased exposure gets to everyone, eventually.
The media and fans were very skeptical of Dustin Pedroia when he arrivde in spring training years ago because he was so small and had a "terrible" looking swing. He is still small and still has the same swing. Production is all that counts.
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Old 12-14-2013, 10:38 AM
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After 2 seasons, if they could have figured him out, if they would have.
He throws inside and hits corners..that's why he's successful. If/when he stops doing that, they'll hit him.
That said, I would trade him for some really good prospects. We can develop pitchers. Not so much position players.
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Old 12-14-2013, 11:34 PM
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If Gandhi hadn't shredded Parque's shoulder riding the whip to the 2000 pole, he could have carved out a classic crafty-lefty career arc.
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