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View Poll Results: What kind is Quintana?
He's a top of the rotation guy, and will get better. 3 2.80%
Solid #2-#3, consistent with his performance to date. 80 74.77%
Serviceable back end pitcher, his numbers will drop off 21 19.63%
Complete and total anomaly, sell high ASAP 3 2.80%
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Old 11-27-2013, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by blandman View Post
They based it off something that doesn't base it off of stuff, just effectiveness (which is not how you rate a fastball, or any pitch for that matter). A lot more than how good a pitch is goes into the stat that was brought up, including but not limited to deception, timing of usage/count, other pitches in at bat...you get the point. Jose's fastball is effective for reason beyond the talent, because the talent is not all that great. If you told a scout that Jose's fastball was in that top half of starters, that scout would laugh at you.
So essentially your argument is that a statistic based on actual, quantifiable real world evidence (outcomes) is meaningless but a subjective evaluation is critical and, of course, only you posses the magic eye.

Originally Posted by blandman View Post
I know people are going to jump on that out of ignorance, but think of it this way: If a guy had the best fastball in baseball, but only threw that pitch, would he be effective? No. Does he have a better fastball than Quintana? Yes. They are two different things entirely.
This is a personal attack. Enjoy your time off.

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