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I shared your concerns about Quintana in his first season- but he's now been around the league for 2 full seasons- and he's improving- not regressing- so I think you're over weighting the whole "deception" thing.
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Well if you're not building around him, trading him now makes sense. This is one of those instances where you will get back more for him than he's actually worth. And I don't believe he'll stay at his current level for even the duration of his arbitration years, so eventually he'll be paid more than he's worth and will lose his trade value.
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I'm skeptical that they could get a good enough return to make it worth trading Quintana. He pretty much came out of nowhere two years ago. Nobody on here had any kind of hopes for him when he came up in '12. He has been pretty good for the Sox so far, but his numbers aren't so eye-popping that somebody will give up a huge haul for him. I definitely think there can be a trade that would make sense for us, but I'm not sure any teams will be willing to do it.
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Quintana's fastball is a plus pitch. If his success was over 2 months, I would understand the skepticism, but it's not. It's over 2 years. Baseball has always had successful LH starters that didn't have electric stuff.
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I wouldn't trade him a for a generic group of prospects- only if it solves one of those specific needs with a major league ready player. |
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Danks' deal is untradeable now. If he continues to not produce, he probably won't be in the rotation in three years. If he shows anything...he'll likely get moved (though we'd still pick up money). I don't think he'll be in our rotation in three years either way. |
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Buehrle had one of the best curve/change combos in the business, I wouldn't say he lacked a true plus pitch.
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If you want to go into some advanced metrics, Quintana actually had the 9th most valuable fastball in all of baseball according to Pitch f/x. I'd call that a pretty plus pitch.
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This is the big problem with taking data and analyzing it without understanding circumstance. You have a pitch that's effective, but his ability to control it at high velocity and good movement is not as effective as you would assume based on the Pitch f/x numbers, which are through the roof compared to what he's bringing. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but it's not as good as the numbers indicate. And long-term it's not sustainable production...or at least it's usually not sustainable. Calling it a plus pitch isn't really true to what that actually means. |
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Last edited by mzh; 11-19-2013 at 05:50 PM. |
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I keep coming in here looking for Konerko updates. Silly me!
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Doug Padilla @ESPNChiSox
Hahn says White Sox should know by the Dec. 9-12 winter meetings if Konerko will be back or not. Chuck Garfien @ChuckGarfien Rick Hahn says trade talks have heated up lately with White Sox. Hahn says he expects a decision to be made on Paul Konerko by winter meetings in a few weeks. |
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