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Old 10-22-2013, 07:36 AM
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They get a Texas native who will play his heart out.
A real grinder with TWTW.

Yeah, they should be willing to give up Kinsler for that.
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:39 AM
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They get a Texas native who will play his heart out.
Implied teal?
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Old 10-22-2013, 11:20 AM
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A deal that I truly think would benefit both teams would be Dunn to Texas for Kinsler.
Step away from the minibar.... Sure, let's trade a key part of our club for one of the true black holes in baseball.
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Old 10-22-2013, 11:43 AM
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A deal that I truly think would benefit both teams would be Dunn to Texas for Kinsler.
That is never going to happen, even if the Sox ate Dunn's entire contract. Kinsler also has a contract that decreases his salary after 2015.
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Old 10-22-2013, 11:55 AM
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At times like this, you wish it was like the NBA, where expiring contracts actually have value.
De Aza might have some value, assuming he remembers how to run bases. The Yankees could be a good trading partner, or the Reds, or the Giants, depending on what you can get.
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Old 10-22-2013, 01:04 PM
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How does that help Texas?
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A real grinder with TWTW.

Yeah, they should be willing to give up Kinsler for that.
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Step away from the minibar.... Sure, let's trade a key part of our club for one of the true black holes in baseball.
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That is never going to happen, even if the Sox ate Dunn's entire contract. Kinsler also has a contract that decreases his salary after 2015.
Texas needs LH power in a mosty RH lineup. Moving Kinsler opens a spot for Profar.
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Old 10-22-2013, 01:37 PM
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At times like this, you wish it was like the NBA, where expiring contracts actually have value.
De Aza might have some value, assuming he remembers how to run bases. The Yankees could be a good trading partner, or the Reds, or the Giants, depending on what you can get.
De Aza seems to have the skillset, defensive flexibility, and stamina of a 4th outfielder, so yes, I think the Sox might be wise to move him, although, the Yankees and Reds may each have a hole in their outfields opened up this off-season depending on how free agency shakes out.
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Old 10-22-2013, 01:38 PM
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Texas needs LH power in a mosty RH lineup. Moving Kinsler opens a spot for Profar.
I agree Texas could move Kinsler to open up space for Profar but it's not going to be for a guy like Adam Dunn
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Old 10-22-2013, 01:45 PM
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Texas needs LH power in a mosty RH lineup. Moving Kinsler opens a spot for Profar.
OK, but Adam Dunn is not at the level of player they would require, particularly with what could turn out to be a friendly contract.
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Old 10-22-2013, 06:33 PM
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Might be worth mentioning here.
http://www.southsidesox.com/2013/10/...-such-problems
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:24 PM
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Some great points. Whatever "system" the White Sox have in place has to be the cause. That's painfully obvious which makes it even a scarier thought. I'm sure they've tried to iron it out - but there really must be a major disconnect there.

Could it be that noone in the organization knows how to develop position talent at any level? Is there a single person in-house who has a modern day philosophy that is proven to deliver results? If not, no amount of talent is going to fix this mess.

I think what's probably more the case is just hopelessly optimistic talent acquisition. Buying a guy at his peak value doesn't seem to pan out. You have to take those risks to get a guy who may have turned a corner towards consistency - but it just seems to blow up in the organization's face over and over again.
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:30 PM
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Texas needs LH power in a mosty RH lineup. Moving Kinsler opens a spot for Profar.
You never fail to disappoint in trade proposals that would never ever happen.
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:31 PM
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Some great points. Whatever "system" the White Sox have in place has to be the cause. That's painfully obvious which makes it even a scarier thought. I'm sure they've tried to iron it out - but there really must be a major disconnect there.

Could it be that noone in the organization knows how to develop position talent at any level? Is there a single person in-house who has a modern day philosophy that is proven to deliver results? If not, no amount of talent is going to fix this mess.

I think what's probably more the case is just hopelessly optimistic talent acquisition. Buying a guy at his peak value doesn't seem to pan out. You have to take those risks to get a guy who may have turned a corner towards consistency - but it just seems to blow up in the organization's face over and over again.
You beat me to the punch, it's almost like we are cursed when it comes to free agent signings in the last 5 years or so but since I don't believe in curses it has to be something else as you mentioned. Something is missing with our selection of managers and coaches and Baseball 101. We need to stop hiring favorites and bring in the best minds from outside the organization.
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Old 10-22-2013, 09:16 PM
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Some great points. Whatever "system" the White Sox have in place has to be the cause. That's painfully obvious which makes it even a scarier thought. I'm sure they've tried to iron it out - but there really must be a major disconnect there.

Could it be that noone in the organization knows how to develop position talent at any level? Is there a single person in-house who has a modern day philosophy that is proven to deliver results? If not, no amount of talent is going to fix this mess.

I think what's probably more the case is just hopelessly optimistic talent acquisition. Buying a guy at his peak value doesn't seem to pan out. You have to take those risks to get a guy who may have turned a corner towards consistency - but it just seems to blow up in the organization's face over and over again.
When you have an organization that is bad at developing talent, doesn't realize it, and almost exclusively hires from within the organization - this is what you get.
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Old 10-22-2013, 09:25 PM
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We need to stop hiring favorites and bring in the best minds from outside the organization.
Buddy Bell came from the outside and was highly regarded. Not much has happened since hes been here. I dont think its bad hiring as much as the chief always has a finger in the pudding.
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