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Old 10-04-2013, 06:06 PM
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Not going to lie, I'd take him over Ventura
He's got experience but lacks a grasp of on base percentage. It's a wash.
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Old 10-04-2013, 06:42 PM
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He's got experience but lacks a grasp of on base percentage. It's a wash.
our current manager lacks both. I'd prefer a guy who has both.
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Old 10-04-2013, 08:19 PM
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There's supposedly a lot of animosity behind the scenes...not sure if it's just between Dusty and his GM, or between Dusty and his players too.

Would you rather manage the Reds or the Nationals in 2014?
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Old 10-04-2013, 09:15 PM
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I think Gardenhire might be the better manager. It's not his fault the Twins roster sucks. And Dusty isn't the GM of the Reds. One team has a loaded roster with a $107 million payroll this season, the other was the Twins. That said, perhaps they're quite similar, as Gardenhire's Twins teams could never get over the hump and have much playoff success.

Perhaps Baker is the Marty Schottenheimer of MLB, as I heard the comparison on radio this morning. Or Doug Collins or Buck Showalter.
Gardenhire is not much better. He's similar to Dusty in that he gets his team to the playoffs, but then doesn't do much else. Weren't the Twins swept out of the playoffs four years in a row?
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Old 10-04-2013, 09:17 PM
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Gardenhire is not much better. He's similar to Dusty in that he gets his team to the playoffs, but then doesn't do much else. Weren't the Twins swept out of the playoffs four years in a row?
Since their 2002 ALCS loss (in 5 games), they have won 2 ALDS games in 5 series. And one Game 163 loss.

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Old 10-04-2013, 09:44 PM
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He's one of those "speed should lead off, obp isn't important" types. Not what this organization needs. (although we have one of those ourselves).
Isn't he the guy who elected to bat Joey Votto second so he'd have the guy with the highest OBP get 20 more at bats?
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Old 10-04-2013, 09:47 PM
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Takes over a team that hadn't had a winning record since 2000, and makes the playoffs 3 of the last 4 seasons.

And yet Gardenhire gets an extension when he hasn't won more than 66 games in a season since 2010.
Is jocketty still the gm in cincy? If so, I'd trust his judgement in personnel decisions.

Is larussa for sure retired?
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Old 10-05-2013, 09:31 AM
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Not going to lie, I'd take him over Ventura
If all things were equal, absolutely, but not in this situation, at this time, with this team. It would just be a waste of money to pay a high-profile manager for this kind of rebuild. It would be like Lou Piniella's stint in Tampa Bay.
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Old 10-05-2013, 01:56 PM
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Is jocketty still the gm in cincy? If so, I'd trust his judgement in personnel decisions.

Is larussa for sure retired?
Now this is an interesting thought.
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Old 10-08-2013, 11:39 AM
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He's got experience but lacks a grasp of on base percentage. It's a wash.
Ventura is way in over his head. At best Ventura is a bench coach. Dusty Baker has taken 3 different teams to the playoffs.

I don't like Dusty's personality and he must be a pain because winning teams have no problem dumping him but his teams win a lot of games. His teams choke in the playoffs, the same was said about LaRussa until he won the 2006 World Series.

I would take Dusty but he wouldn't want to take the Sox. The Sox have a serious talent issue that at best won't be addressed for 3 years.
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Old 10-08-2013, 03:41 PM
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Now this is an interesting thought.
Forget it. Doesn't want to be part of a rebuilding.
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Old 10-08-2013, 08:50 PM
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Forget it. Doesn't want to be part of a rebuilding.
I took that to mean that LaRussa might end up in Cincinnati next year.
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Old 10-08-2013, 09:20 PM
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Ok, I know we're all Sox fans, but remember how the Cubs flamed out in 2004? Players screaming at reporters, yelling at fans and blaming the broadcasters? That's the Dusty Baker Way. When the going gets tough, the media caused it.

And then there's his love of the sacrifice bunt.

If Dusty becomes the Sox manager, I'm pretty shure Steve Stone would quit. My second prediction is that TLaR has called it a career.
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