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Old 09-19-2013, 05:56 PM
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Beckham is better than Gillaspie in the sense that his defense is better and his bat is fine enough to be an 8-9 hitter.

Gillaspie being as prominent on this team as he was this season is one of the many indicators of how bad this team was.
A 260 hitter with no power and no speed isn't fine. He's not a defensive specialist either. I'll drop it, but the Beckham apologists drive me crazy.
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Old 09-19-2013, 08:12 PM
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A 260 hitter with no power and no speed isn't fine. He's not a defensive specialist either. I'll drop it, but the Beckham apologists drive me crazy.
I'm crazy from it too. He's a steady fielder, turns the DP nicely. He runs well enough, used to have a little power before the wrist surgery. He had my hopes up for a while at the plate, but he's vulnerable to being replaced by the first youngster who comes along when the team starts to get good again.
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Old 09-19-2013, 09:20 PM
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A 260 hitter with no power and no speed isn't fine. He's not a defensive specialist either. I'll drop it, but the Beckham apologists drive me crazy.
I'd hardly call myself a Beckham apologist, but I'll bring up Mark Ellis again - he has made a nice career out of being kinda mediocre. His career ops is still 30 points higher than the great Beckham, of course.
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Old 09-19-2013, 11:16 PM
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I'd hardly call myself a Beckham apologist, but I'll bring up Mark Ellis again - he has made a nice career out of being kinda mediocre. His career ops is still 30 points higher than the great Beckham, of course.
Plus Ellis had the distinction of being a Sox killer. Maybe Beckham will find an opponent to wreak havoc on. After his first series against the Yankees in 09 I thought maybe he'd be a Yankee killer. Hasn't worked out but I still think he's solid.
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Old 09-20-2013, 09:25 AM
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Garcia has 3+ tools and a much higher upside. If we're going to have 2 players that can't hit, I'll take the better defender that can steal bases.

Also, Keppinger > Beckham
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Old 09-20-2013, 10:04 AM
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Plus Ellis had the distinction of being a Sox killer. Maybe Beckham will find an opponent to wreak havoc on. After his first series against the Yankees in 09 I thought maybe he'd be a Yankee killer. Hasn't worked out but I still think he's solid.
In 241 plate appearances over his career, Ellis has hit .200 against the Sox, easily his *worst* against any AL team. Where is the killing?

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Old 09-24-2013, 07:35 PM
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I'm crazy from it too. He's a steady fielder, turns the DP nicely. He runs well enough, used to have a little power before the wrist surgery. He had my hopes up for a while at the plate, but he's vulnerable to being replaced by the first youngster who comes along when the team starts to get good again.
That's why he's fine for 8/9 spot on this team. We have a few promising infield prospects, Beckham's good enough to hold it down for now. He could transfer easily into a utility role so he shouldn't get in anyone's way unless he really starts to hit, in which case we wouldn't have a complaint anyway. I still wouldn't be surprised if he had a couple solid seasons at the plate by the time he's 32, but I wouldn't nail him to the job waiting for it either.
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Old 09-24-2013, 07:44 PM
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In 241 plate appearances over his career, Ellis has hit .200 against the Sox, easily his *worst* against any AL team. Where is the killing?

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Old 09-24-2013, 07:55 PM
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Beckham's a good stopgap for a few years while our system develops another option. We actually have depth at 2B in our low minors.
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:03 PM
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We actually have depth at 2B in our low minors.
We have it at the high levels...Garcia, Semien, Johnson and Sanchez are all AA or higher and could be ready within the next year or so.
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:26 PM
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We have it at the high levels...Garcia, Semien, Johnson and Sanchez are all AA or higher and could be ready within the next year or so.
Haha...well Johnson is one of the two guys I was referring to, but he only played 5 days in AA so he's at least a year off (probably two), which is why Beckham is a fine stopgap.
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:28 PM
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I can easily seeing Beckham traded in the off season and replaced by one of several candidates. It's time to start over.

If someone sees Beckham as a solid fielding second baseman who provides stability up the middle, they can have him. It would be nice, of course, if the Sox could get something of value for him.
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:32 PM
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I can easily seeing Beckham traded in the off season and replaced by one of several candidates. It's time to start over.

If someone sees Beckham as a solid fielding second baseman who provides stability up the middle, they can have him. It would be nice, of course, if the Sox could get something of value for him.
I'm not sure you'll get back anything valuable enough to trade him. Maybe at the next deadline.
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