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Old 05-09-2013, 07:44 AM
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Default Angel Hernandez kicks another call

He blows an obvious game-tying HR with 2 outs in the ninth. After a discussion, he decides to review the play and blows it again even though the video shows a clear home run.

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?co...ic_id=11493214

Why is it always the same umpires and why do they still have jobs?
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Old 05-09-2013, 08:20 AM
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It's not always the same umpires.

It's just that when one blows a big call once, it becomes news when they do it again. If this were anyone but a "reputed" bad ump, no one would have a single clue what ump made the call.

It's how good you perceive the umpire to be. When calls like this get made, you want to say "Look, he sucks! Here's evidence!" and then you overlook the millions of good calls he's made between bad ones. Do some maybe make more frequent bad calls than others? Yes, but cherry picking to prove a point doesn't mean that overall they're "bad".
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Old 05-09-2013, 08:30 AM
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That is terrible. There is no excuse for that.
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:02 AM
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It's not always the same umpires.

It's just that when one blows a big call once, it becomes news when they do it again. If this were anyone but a "reputed" bad ump, no one would have a single clue what ump made the call.

It's how good you perceive the umpire to be. When calls like this get made, you want to say "Look, he sucks! Here's evidence!" and then you overlook the millions of good calls he's made between bad ones. Do some maybe make more frequent bad calls than others? Yes, but cherry picking to prove a point doesn't mean that overall they're "bad".
I disagree. Just like some ballplayers are much better than others, it is the same with umpires. It shouldn't be but it is. It's true an umpire with a good reputation, like a Jim Joyce, can make a major blunder. However others like CB Bucknor, Joe West, and yes Angel Hernandez have proven over time to leave a lot to be desired.
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:33 AM
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I'd really like to hear how they called that a double! What replay were they watching that showed anything but the ball hitting the railing. Was it dimly lit in there? Were they using a grainy TV? Was the TV monitor 6 inches? Was it in black in white? Was there slow motion? Were they watching it through netting, covered in dirt, with sun glasses on, in complete darkness from 50 feet away?
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Old 05-09-2013, 10:12 AM
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There seems to be a lot of visual evidence to call that a homerun but instant replay is still a judgement call.

The other issue is Cleveland's left field wall. I understand the bars for protection of the fans but the padded wall in left doesn't need to be that high creating this mess. I've seen close calls like this because of the Sox playing so many games in Cleveland and I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often.
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Old 05-09-2013, 11:02 AM
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Bud Selig needs to overturn that call. I watched this game last night and I still can't believe this. Alot of the Indian players were even laughing.
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Old 05-09-2013, 11:10 AM
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I'd be shocked if Bud did anything.

Officials should be held accountable for what they do or not do and what they say...same as broadcasters, players and front office types.

I never understood why officials are considered off limits and why, when they are fined or suspended nothing is ever publicly said by the respective sport league.

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Old 05-09-2013, 11:46 AM
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Robot umpires, please
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Old 05-09-2013, 11:48 AM
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I'd be shocked if Bud did anything.

Officials should be held accountable for what they do or not do and what they say...same as broadcasters, players and front office types.

I never understood why officials are considered off limits and why, when they are fined or suspended nothing is ever publicly said by the respective sport league.

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I don't understand that either but I would gain some respect for Selig if he did overturn this.
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:35 PM
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"Even with replay, Angel Hernandez got it wrong, and that's not really a surprise."
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:36 PM
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I don't like this ruling for the obvious reasons, and also because it deprives a proud graduate of Western Michigan Univ., Adam Rosales, of a home run.
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:01 PM
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I think what makes the call even worse is that Hernandez kicks Melvin out of the game during the argument.

Unless Melvin dropped some magic words during the conversation, his leash should have been limitless after Hernandez's booting the call.
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:27 PM
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Robot umpires, please
With pitch trax, there is already no need for a caller of balls and strikes.
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:52 PM
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That's a world class bad call. Angel should be suspended for abject incompetence.
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