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Old 05-10-2013, 11:45 AM
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Default Sun Times looks at the numbers...

I knew the hitting was bad, but this bad?

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/20010...f-hitting.html

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Old 05-10-2013, 12:12 PM
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Can someone care to explain how one can have a higher average than OBP?
What's the over/under on offensive categories we finish last in (for the AL)? I'll go with 3.5, btw having the most strikeouts also counts as a last place finish.
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:17 PM
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Can someone care to explain how one can have a higher average than OBP?
What's the over/under on offensive categories we finish last in (for the AL)? I'll go with 3.5, btw having the most strikeouts also counts as a last place finish.
Sacrifices.
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:34 PM
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Sacrifices.
Yep, a sacrifice doesn't count as an "at bat" so it's not factored into BA, but it does count as a PA however, unlike walks or HBP, it counts as an 0 for 1 PA instead of a 1 for 1 PA.
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Old 05-10-2013, 01:02 PM
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If being a Sox fan has taught me nothing else, and it hasn't, it's that the offense will pick up when the weather gets warmer. They will end up with respectable numbers. Unfortunately the opponents' offense will pick when the weather gets warmer also.
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Old 05-10-2013, 03:06 PM
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Sacrifices.
Sacrifice flies. Sacrifice bunts don't count against your on-base percentage. That's part of the reason players choose to bunt runners from second over to third instead of hitting ground balls to the right side.
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Old 05-10-2013, 03:11 PM
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If being a Sox fan has taught me nothing else, and it hasn't, it's that the offense will pick up when the weather gets warmer. They will end up with respectable numbers. Unfortunately the opponents' offense will pick when the weather gets warmer also.
I agree, the Sox are notorious slow starters. They simply cannot hit THIS bad all year. They will continue to be flawed offensively because of the they way they are built but they won't be THIS dismal. If they do continue hitting this poorly, then we will be looking at a vastly different White Sox team on July 31st.
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Old 05-10-2013, 03:21 PM
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Looks like someone at the Sun Times just found out about FanGraphs.
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Old 05-10-2013, 03:22 PM
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Looks like someone at the Sun Times just found out about FanGraphs.
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Old 05-10-2013, 03:40 PM
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Taken from this week's team power rankings in Sports Illustrated:

"Amidst a host of depressing offensive statistics, the one that stands out the most is this: the offense's collective WAR (Wins Above Replacement) is a negative number -- -2.0, to be exact -- which means a lineup of replacement players would be two games better than what the White Sox have been fielding thus far.

Offensive is one way to describe it.

On the upside, they ranked the Sox #23, ahead of the Blue Jays, Dodgers and Angels, and their payrolls.
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Old 05-10-2013, 03:51 PM
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Statistics are kept on virtually everything. I've often wondered what percentage of pitches Adam Done actually swings at. He seems to not only strikeout looking more than anyone, but it seems like he looks at more pitches than what pitches he swings at.
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Old 05-10-2013, 03:56 PM
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Speaking of Dunn, would you ever have imagined this given his last few years?

Similar Batters through age 32

  1. Harmon Killebrew (873) *
  2. Reggie Jackson (873) *
  3. Rocky Colavito (872)
  4. Jim Thome (863)
  5. Jose Canseco (858)
  6. Dale Murphy (846)
  7. Ralph Kiner (844) *
  8. Andruw Jones (835)
  9. Boog Powell (826)
  10. Greg Luzinski (824)
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Old 05-10-2013, 10:58 PM
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Speaking of Dunn, would you ever have imagined this given his last few years?

Similar Batters through age 32

  1. Harmon Killebrew (873) *
  2. Reggie Jackson (873) *
  3. Rocky Colavito (872)
  4. Jim Thome (863)
  5. Jose Canseco (858)
  6. Dale Murphy (846)
  7. Ralph Kiner (844) *
  8. Andruw Jones (835)
  9. Boog Powell (826)
  10. Greg Luzinski (824)
What are the numbers by the names?
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Old 05-11-2013, 01:11 AM
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I agree, the Sox are notorious slow starters. They simply cannot hit THIS bad all year. They will continue to be flawed offensively because of the they way they are built but they won't be THIS dismal. If they do continue hitting this poorly, then we will be looking at a vastly different White Sox team on July 31st.
Ahem... that's what a lot of people were saying about Adam Dunn in 2011. It came to be called the "back of the baseball card" reasoning. As in, "Have you seen the back of Dunn's baseball card? He averaged 40 HRs a year for the last X years. Of course he's gonna get it started." And we waited and waited and waited. And now his 2013 baseball card has that real stinker of a year on it.

While the hitting has been pathetic, I am more concerned about the gos-awful defense. It's that much more accentuated when you give up unearned runs that you pretty much know they aren't going to get back.

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Old 05-11-2013, 01:25 AM
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Speaking of Dunn, would you ever have imagined this given his last few years?

Similar Batters through age 32

  1. Harmon Killebrew (873) *
  2. Reggie Jackson (873) *
  3. Rocky Colavito (872)
  4. Jim Thome (863)
  5. Jose Canseco (858)
  6. Dale Murphy (846)
  7. Ralph Kiner (844) *
  8. Andruw Jones (835)
  9. Boog Powell (826)
  10. Greg Luzinski (824)
Well, most of those guys were known for striking out a buttload of times, so Adam is certainly similar in that regard. Unfortunately, the similarities end there.
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