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Old 01-02-2013, 10:38 PM
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J. Quintana:
As RP-----7ip, 1H, 0.43WHIP, 0.00ERA
As SP-----3.97ERA, 1.40WHIP, 129IP/143H, 4.31era in innings 1-6, 0.00ERA in innings 7-9. Innings 1-6 opponents hit .312 off Quintana.

H. Santiago:
As RP-----3.88ERA, 51IP, 53K
As SP----- 1.86ERA, 19IP, 26K, 3.01ERA in innings 1-6, 2.95era in innings 7-9. After hitters have faced him 3 times in a game 0.179BAA



I'm hoping H. Santiago can win the job, I like his stuff (I like Quintana as well) Eventually both will be #4 and #5.
93MPH FB top 97MPH
83MPH CHG
79MPH SLD
74MPH SCR


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Old 01-02-2013, 10:47 PM
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If and when they are 4 and 5, with Sale and Danks, 4 lefties is not my cup of tea.
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Old 01-02-2013, 10:50 PM
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If Santiago can avoid giving up the longball I like his potential, but as of right now I think Quintana put in too much good work for most of last season for it not to be his job to lose.
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Old 01-02-2013, 10:54 PM
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If and when they are 4 and 5, with Sale and Danks, 4 lefties is not my cup of tea.
I have no problem with it. If they're the best 5 starters you have, you go with them. The objective of the game is to get batters out. Doesn't matter how you throw the ball.

This reminds of the "need" of having a second lefty in the pen just for the sake of having him even if he can't get LH hitters out.
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Old 01-02-2013, 10:56 PM
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J. Quintana:
As RP-----7ip, 1H, 0.43WHIP, 0.00ERA
As SP-----3.97ERA, 1.40WHIP, 129IP/143H, 4.31era in innings 1-6, 0.00ERA in innings 7-9. Innings 1-6 opponents hit .312 off Quintana.

H. Santiago:
As RP-----3.88ERA, 51IP, 53K
As SP----- 1.86ERA, 19IP, 26K, 3.01ERA in innings 1-6, 2.95era in innings 7-9. After hitters have faced him 3 times in a game 0.179BAA



I'm hoping H. Santiago can win the job, I like his stuff (I like Quintana as well) Eventually both will be #4 and #5.
93MPH FB top 97MPH
83MPH CHG
79MPH SLD
74MPH SCR


Thoughts?

Small sample size, no? The guy came in for mop-up duties for a DH in Cleveland. So in reality, he has no bullpen experience.
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:07 PM
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I have no problem with it. If they're the best 5 starters you have, you go with them. The objective of the game is to get batters out. Doesn't matter how you throw the ball.

This reminds of the "need" of having a second lefty in the pen just for the sake of having him even if he can't get LH hitters out.


Great point! I never understood people saying "oh we need a lefty specialist..." oh ya why? He gives up a .330 clip to lefties haha

4 Lefty starters are not bad, Imagine when Peavy hangs it up 5 lefties! :-)
Snodgress Danks Sale Quintana Santiago

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Old 01-03-2013, 12:34 PM
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4 Lefty starters are not bad, Imagine when Peavy hangs it up 5 lefties! :-)
Snodgress Danks Sale Quintana Santiago
With baseball the way it is, the possibility of any team filling out its rotation in a few years solely from within is really slim.
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Old 01-03-2013, 01:16 PM
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It is Quintana's job to lose going into camp. I heard Coop say that on MLB Network Radio the other day.
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It is Quintana's job to lose going into camp. I heard Coop say that on MLB Network Radio the other day.
Does any other pitching coach in MLB appear in the media as much as Cooper?
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Old 01-03-2013, 02:14 PM
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Does any other pitching coach in MLB appear in the media as much as Cooper?
Funny you say that. He's a guy who gets bothered by the hard questions but yet can't wait to go find a microphone and get on air.
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Old 01-03-2013, 05:03 PM
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I like 'em both.

Santiago's FB stays a bit too straight for me sometimes and it can get launched bu even mediocre hitters.
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Old 01-03-2013, 05:19 PM
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I like 'em both.

Santiago's FB stays a bit too straight for me sometimes and it can get launched bu even mediocre hitters.
Hector has + velocity on his fastball but you are right, it doesn't have a ton of movement. The key for Santiago is that screwball. It is his wipeout pitch and one he absolutely needs command of as a starter to get right handed hitters out. AL hitters will sit on his fastball all day if he can't get that "screwgie" over the plate. The lost command of the screwball is the reason Hector lost the closer job to Reed. Hector seemed to find it again in spot start duty late last year so maybe it is a pitch that comes to him after he works a couple innings.
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The perk (or drawback, depending on your POV) to being the best
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:48 AM
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IMO, we'll need both, even if Floyd isn't shipped out for a bat or two.

To assume Sale, Peavy, and especially Danks coming off surgery will not miss some time this year is foolhardy.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:24 AM
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Agree with your post. Today you actually need six starters...not five.

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