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I'll bite.
Just because of his defensive limitations? I can't think of anyone the Sox could replace him with who'd come close to his level of production. |
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Seriously, what's there to lose? It was only his first season. How do you give up on a guy that fast?
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If those are the only limitations you see then we have far differing viewpoints. If you are going to concede defense for offensive production from a position, do it with a player that contributes more than just a power hitter. How many playoff games did the Sox win with Carlos Lee standing on the warning track in left field?
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But you're probably right, if Carlos Lee in LF didn't win any playoffs game with a completely different Sox team, it will be impossible for Dayan Viciedo. Especially with the new rules in place, where playoff victories are decided by the left fielder's resemblance to Carlos Lee. |
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Oh, and Sale gets an A+ without question.
The kid went above and beyond what anyone could have ever expected from him. I don't care if his numbers dipped in the last month of the season. He was completely dominant the rest of the year. His dominance is the main reason we were even above .500. Not to mention, the kid gave it his all and battled with whatever stuff his dead arm would supply him. If anyone noticed, he lost his really dominant stuff around the 100 game mark, but that didn't stop him beating the opponent by any means necessary. The last month was beyond his control, his stuff had dropped dramatically, which gives you an idea of how his arm must have felt compared to the beginning of the season. He was a complete warrior, but unlike Peavy, he shut the opposition down when he needed to. I feel like I'm rambling, but I guess I can't believe anyone thinks he deserves anything under an A+. He was a 23 year old in his first full season as a starter and he carried this broken down team on his broken down arm for the entire season. I just hope his arm fully recovers and he starts the season with the same electric stuff he had during the first half of this past year. The Sox need to get some inning eaters around him so they can watch his workload a little better. I don't blame them for going for it all, it was just unfortunate Sale was the guy they had to rely on. |
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Actually, at age 23(!) there isn't a massive difference.
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Got to disagree about a.j. improved defensively. I assume you mean throwing out runners. A.J. has thrown as he always has, bt our pitchers actually hold runners on now. A.J. Has greatly regressed defensively. Way too many passed balls. His age is catching up to him.
Disagree on Gordon being a D+. When your worst hitter hits 14 hrs and drives in over 60 its not a D + even though we expect more from him. |
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Any 2012 report card that assigns a B+ to Adam Dunn and a C to Paul Konerko can't be taken serioursly.
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I think it is a mistake to assume Dayan Viciedo will never get any better.
That doesn't mean I wouldn't trade him. He's hardly untouchable. But you don't say "He is what he is" after just one full season in the big leagues.
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and other teams won playoff games with Carlos Lee standing on the warning track
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Power numbers between Lee and Tank at age 23 are comparable. Carlos was a more refined hitter at his age though. Caballo hit for a higher average and far less Ks than Tank. However, Tank is still a very raw talent and it is a mistake to think one season tells the whole story on him. Maybe what we saw in 2012 is the type of hitter he will always be. However, I point to the adjustment Tigers CF Austin Jackson made from 2011 to 2012 to show how a young player can make adjustments and improve quickly at the big league level.
Carlos Lee 1999 Season (Age 23) .293 Avg 16 HRs 84 RBIs 144 Hits 32 Doubles 72 Ks 13 BBs Dayan Viciedo 2012 Season (Age 23) .255 Avg 25 HRs 78 RBIs 129 Hits 18 Doubles 120 Ks 28 BB
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Don't forget that he was briefly the Sox first baseman of the future, prior to Dunn and Konerko's signings.
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DeAza is an absolute A. I don't know what you guys want.
I'd give Santiago a B. Jones a B+ Wise a C (unless we are grading him in relation to the career- Wise; but then he'd deserve an A). Tank a C+ - he's got to develop some plate discipline. |
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