*Official* 5-15 Ohman meltdown, DET 10 SOX 8 Postgamer

[TDog]

Originally Posted by Tragg

Peavy was left in too long.

Perhaps, but it took the White Sox six innings of scoreless bullpen work to win Monday night. You really don't know if going to the bullpen earlier today would have yielded a better result.

It's odd that the Tigers and White Sox in Detroit traded games decided by ninth-inning two-run homers and in this two-game series, the White Sox and Tigers traded games decided by leads blown by middle relief after starters with great ERAs had their worst starts of the year.

When you lose as many games as the White Sox have this season with leads in the late innings (while today was a late-middle inning lead, it was still six runs), the problem isn't the offense. Obviously, this was another game the White Sox should have won.

Still, the starters seem good enough and the bullpen arms seem good enough, that the pitching should be better. Maybe the bullpen will come together. In 2007, though, everyone liked the White Sox bullpen in the spring. Baseball Prospectus in predicting a miserable season for the Sox cited the bullpen as a team strength. There was an April WSI thread speculating if that bullpen was the greatest in Sox history. Then things went horribly, horribly wrong. Bullpens are unpredictable, but this bullpen looks like it could be pretty good, especially as Ventura has more experience with it.

Fortunately, this Sox team hasn't dug itself a big hole. This division will probably go to the team that starts to click first and keeps it going the longest. The postseason will probably go to the team with the best pitching. I see no reason to give up on this team.

[chisox12]

Getting pretty sick of Will Ohman. And Ventura leaving him in too long.

[Lip Man 1]

Originally Posted by The Immigrant

The worst thing about losses this year is that you know the same ****ing dead horse will get beaten again in the postgame thread.

Well I guess the answer then is to win ****ing games.

Lip

[SI1020]

Originally Posted by The Immigrant

The worst thing about losses this year is that you know the same ****ing dead horse will get beaten again in the postgame thread.

[October26]

Originally Posted by ChiSoxGal85

Nice to see the Sox at least try to battle back. Peavy's been pretty solid up to now and a bad game on occasion will happen. But I think Robin needs to take a hard look at how he uses the bullpen.

I did not get to watch the game today as I was at work. I'm disappointed to learn that the Sox blew a lead in this game. A couple of Sox fan friends of mine texted me that Viciedo just missed a walk-off homer. Damn.

What did you mean by your comment (bolded) above? Are you speaking about how Robin uses the bullpen in general or specifically how he used it in today's game?

[Golden Sox]

Why wasn't Crain brought in to face Jackson? I thought Crain was activated today. The White Sox are 4-4 against the Tigers this year. We could of been 6-2 easily. Thornton blew that one game and todays game should of been put in the win column for the White Sox. I know this been beaten to death on these posts, but are the White Sox really going to stick with Beckham and Morel the rest of the season?

[SI1020]

Originally Posted by Golden Sox

Why wasn't Crain brought in to face Jackson? I thought Crain was activated today. The White Sox are 4-4 against the Tigers this year. We could of been 6-2 easily. Thornton blew that one game and todays game should of been put in the win column for the White Sox. I know this been beaten to death on these posts, but are the White Sox really going to stick with Beckham and Morel the rest of the season?

Who are the alternatives?

[kittle42]

Originally Posted by SI1020

Who are the alternatives?

Maybe it will be the kids we get for AJ, Peavy, and co.

[mzh]

Originally Posted by Lip Man 1

Well I guess the answer then is to win ****ing games.

Lip

This team is what it is. There's no sense getting worked up about it. Enjoy the wins, shake off the losses. This team was not built to compete this year.

Whether to trust the organization to execute the process to compete in the future is another story, but right now, it is what it is.

[Tragg]

Originally Posted by TDog

Perhaps, but it took the White Sox six innings of scoreless bullpen work to win Monday night. You really don't know if going to the bullpen earlier today would have yielded a better result.

You have to use your pen. They can pitch 2 days in a row. Peavy gave up a single, a double, 2 homers, one hit batsman in the 6th and he still didn't take him out. Finally when he gave up a walk, he took him out. Use the pen.
I don't know what Cooper's doing either. They sort of crowned him king, keeping him around when the manager was fired. Danks stinks, this dog and pony show with Sale. I don't know.
We're blowing games. We are getting good pitching for the most part, any hitter we know can hit is hitting except maybe Ramirez. Detroit's playing poorly. Heck, we probably should be right with Cleveland. Instead, we're closer to the Royals.

[ChiSoxGal85]

Originally Posted by October26

What did you mean by your comment (bolded) above? Are you speaking about how Robin uses the bullpen in general or specifically how he used it in today's game?

I don't know; my comment was rooted more in frustration than logic. Ohman makes me nuts; he always seems to be in the middle of a bullpen meltdown.

[palehozenychicty]

Aside from all of the bullpen fiascos, the win was almost pulled out.

I'm not getting too worked up. It's early.

[Foulke You]

Originally Posted by palehozenychicty

Aside from all of the bullpen fiascos, the win was almost pulled out.

I'm not getting too worked up. It's early.

It helps that I didn't get to see this debacle but I feel the same way. We won a game Monday we shouldn't have won. They won a game today that they shouldn't have won. We walk away even.

As far as the pen goes, I've never liked Ohman against right handers. With his delivery, they just see the ball out of his hand too long and he doesn't have the stuff to compensate for that. As a 2nd or 3rd lefty specialist, he is usually "okay" despite having a bad day today. Just keep him far away from right handed batters. I'm not too worried overall about the pen. Crain is really the key. He is the 8th inning guy to get the ball to Reed. Thornton won't need to be as overtaxed either.

[cards press box]

Originally Posted by JB98

The Tigers aren't nearly as good as people predicted they would be. They stink just like the rest of this crummy division. They can hit, sure, but their pitching and defense are of second-division quality.

Absolutely right. The Tigers will win some games like this one where they just club the opposition into submission. But even in this game, they came within a foot or two of an 11-10 loss.

I will say that the Tiger defense has been better than I expected. But it is a long season and Detroit just doesn't look that good.

Originally Posted by Lip Man 1

I simply can’t explain what’s happened to this team at home since April 2011.

Lip

I think that I can. Even with a resurgent Adam Dunn this year and strong offensive years from De Aza and Pierzynski, the Sox offense just has too many holes in it. And it is almost impossible to play well in a homer haven like U.S. Cellular with a substandard and often punchless offense.

Originally Posted by Chez

Ohman is terrible. Bring back Quintana or Stults or Bruney.

If the Sox are going to be a .500 club or so, they should try to develop their young talent as much as possible. That points to dealing or releasing Ohman and calling up Quintana.

[BainesHOF]

I've seen enough of Ohman. He needs to go.

Mishandling the pitching staff is becoming a Ventura characteristic.