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Old 04-28-2012, 08:27 AM
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Danks was 8-12 last year when he was projected to be the 3rd guy in the rotation till Peavy went down. That is probably what he is. He is still a career .500 pitcher now in his 7th year. He is a lefty which is a quality teams want but as he showed last night sometimes that means nothing. The Red Sox lefties were teeing off on him. Contract or not, he may never be an ace of a staff.
Danks' individual W-L record is pretty meaningless (much like all SP) especially when you factor in he got 3.5 runs of support per start, tied for 6th worst in the AL out of about 70 qualified starting pitchers. Only Doug Fister, Jason Vargas, Philip Humber, Tyler Chatwood, and Brett Cecil had it worse and all of those guys were sub-.500 on the year as well, except for Humber who went 9-9.

Also, the Sox bullpen blew leads for Danks 4 times when he left the game as the winning pitcher of record. Only 8 SP in the AL last year had their bullpen lose them more wins.
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Old 04-28-2012, 09:18 AM
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Danks was 8-12 last year when he was projected to be the 3rd guy in the rotation till Peavy went down. That is probably what he is. He is still a career .500 pitcher now in his 7th year. He is a lefty which is a quality teams want but as he showed last night sometimes that means nothing. The Red Sox lefties were teeing off on him. Contract or not, he may never be an ace of a staff.

Agreed, but he was the hard luck kid for at least the first half of 2011. No run support if I remember correctly. Zilch. Nada. Zero. No pitcher can win games like that.

This year he's getting a lead, albeit small, but giving it up immediately. He can't afford to do that.

I'm not a huge Danks fan but he's in a White Sox uniform so I want him to succeed.

Pitching is vastly overpaid at the MLB mediocre level in my opinion. I'm just saying that I don't think it is a talent problem.
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Danks' individual W-L record is pretty meaningless (much like all SP) especially when you factor in he got 3.5 runs of support per start, tied for 6th worst in the AL out of about 70 qualified starting pitchers. Only Doug Fister, Jason Vargas, Philip Humber, Tyler Chatwood, and Brett Cecil had it worse and all of those guys were sub-.500 on the year as well, except for Humber who went 9-9.

Also, the Sox bullpen blew leads for Danks 4 times when he left the game as the winning pitcher of record. Only 8 SP in the AL last year had their bullpen lose them more wins.

That is why I said he is a career .500 pitcher. If he got less support last year or the pen blew leads maybe he should have been 10-10, 12-8, etc. But usually those things even out especially when you have 6+ years. It still makes him a .500 pitcher so far in his career.

He also was 30th in ERA and 31st in Whip in the AL so again those are not the stats of an ace.
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Old 04-28-2012, 11:05 PM
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http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfxo.as...ion=P&pitch=FA

Looks like he's definitely down velocity wise to start the year. He's had a few starts here and there where he threw about the same speed over the years, but never for more than 1 or 2 starts.
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Old 04-29-2012, 06:30 AM
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Looks like he's definitely down velocity wise to start the year. He's had a few starts here and there where he threw about the same speed over the years, but never for more than 1 or 2 starts.
Yes, it does look like his velocity is down. It also looks like the range is smaller than in previous years. So, he's not changing speeds enough.
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Ok I am convinced...Danks stanks. Trade him, if anyone would take him.
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Ok I am convinced...Danks stanks. Trade him, if anyone would take him.
Not with that contract now.

We just seem to handcuff ourselves with bad money after bad money.
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Old 05-03-2012, 10:13 PM
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Not with that contract now.

We just seem to handcuff ourselves with bad money after bad money.
And not with him pitching like this. Nobody's going to want that contract, nobody's going to want the pitcher that he is.
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Not with that contract now.

We just seem to handcuff ourselves with bad money after bad money.
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And not with him pitching like this. Nobody's going to want that contract, nobody's going to want the pitcher that he is.
I know. It blows but maybe the Yankees or Boston will be dumb enough to take him.
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Old 05-03-2012, 10:26 PM
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Not with that contract now.

We just seem to handcuff ourselves with bad money after bad money.
Funny thing is that Dunn, Peavy and Rios are all earning that money right now.
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Old 05-03-2012, 10:29 PM
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Some guys start to press after getting big, big money...Danks may be a guy trying to show everyone he's worth it.

He's given up at least three runs in every start he's made this year.

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Old 05-03-2012, 10:46 PM
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Some guys start to press after getting big, big money...Danks may be a guy trying to show everyone he's worth it.

He's given up at least three runs in every start he's made this year.

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I would settle for only 3 runs in six innings.
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Danks isn't the first pitcher in baseball history to string together a month's worth of bad starts.



Definitely should sell low on the guy, though, that's a winning strategy
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For the money we gave this guy we could still have Buerhle.
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Old 05-04-2012, 06:18 AM
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Danks isn't the first pitcher in baseball history to string together a month's worth of bad starts.

Definitely should sell low on the guy, though, that's a winning strategy
No he isn't but he is the only ones that the Sox are paying 15.75 mil for thru 2016. If you not worried about that / him you are playing dumb.
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