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Old 04-21-2012, 09:49 PM
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Default Freeze Frame of Check Swing Strikeout - Last Out of Humber's Perfect Game

Although FOX never showed the side camera angle, this freeze frame shows Ryan went around. Great game, Phil! Congrats!!!!!
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Old 04-21-2012, 09:54 PM
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Great image! I watched the replay several times and it looked to me like he went around, though it was tough to follow because of the distraction of the ball getting away from Pierzynski.

Good to know the perfecto isn't tainted!

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Old 04-21-2012, 10:24 PM
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Great picture! thanks!
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Old 04-21-2012, 10:27 PM
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Outstanding, thanks
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Old 04-21-2012, 10:29 PM
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Although FOX never showed the side camera angle, this freeze frame shows Ryan went around. Great game, Phil! Congrats!!!!!
The rule book does not contain a definition of when a check swing turns into an actual swing, but the two usual measures are whether the batter "broke" his wrists, or whether the bat crosses the front of the plate. He clearly didn't break his wrists, but it looks fairly certain that the bat crossed the front of the plate.
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Old 04-21-2012, 10:57 PM
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Oh god. AJ just looks like he's in such a bad position for the ball.
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Old 04-22-2012, 03:42 AM
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The rule book does not contain a definition of when a check swing turns into an actual swing, but the two usual measures are whether the batter "broke" his wrists, or whether the bat crosses the front of the plate. He clearly didn't break his wrists, but it looks fairly certain that the bat crossed the front of the plate.
The rule book defines a swinging strike as a ball the hitter strikes at and misses. The rules committee has never taken the judgment of what constitutes offering at a pitch away from the umpire.

The working definition used to be whether a batter broke his wrists. Around 40 years ago, the process of appealing to the umpire down the line came into play because that umpire can better see if a hitter broke his wrists. The the umpires started using the bat-crossing-the plate guideline. The homeplate umpire can better see if the bat crosses that plate than an umpire more than 100 feet away, but they still appeal down the bases when it isn't a wrist-breaking question. The result, I think, is a vague interpretation of the swinging-strike rule.

I didn't believe Ryan offered at the pitch. I watch the replays, and I still don't. And I wanted very much to see the pitch as a strike. I am happy that I haven't yet heard any commentators agreeing with me. Obviously, I was wrong, and I am happy to have been wrong.
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Old 04-22-2012, 04:06 AM
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I watch again again and clearly the batter is tied up, sort of lunges at the
pitch and was clearly fooled, did a wombly attempt to handle that pitch and was way off balance because he was trying to hit ball where pitched.
Not just kickin back on heels watching pitch skid into dirt. Batter was fooled and going for it with poor technique. That is what me and umpire saw.
Hopey Chris Sale was watching what can be done with offspeed junk too.
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Old 04-22-2012, 06:41 AM
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I kind of think everybody, including the batter, was trying to do the right thing there. Batters want to get a hit in that situation. They don't really want to take a walk to ruin a perfect game. They want to get a hit to ruin a perfect game. The check swing is an arbitrary thing and I think the ump gave the benefit of doubt to the pitcher because of the situation. I don't think anyone will ever devalue the perfect game because of the last pitch.
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Old 04-22-2012, 08:52 AM
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Oh god. AJ just looks like he's in such a bad position for the ball.
Johnny Bench in his prime would have had a tough time with that ball. It wasn't close to being a strike. Thankfully the guy cried to the umpire or it would have been very close at first base.
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Old 04-22-2012, 08:55 AM
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I kind of think everybody, including the batter, was trying to do the right thing there. Batters want to get a hit in that situation. They don't really want to take a walk to ruin a perfect game. They want to get a hit to ruin a perfect game. The check swing is an arbitrary thing and I think the ump gave the benefit of doubt to the pitcher because of the situation. I don't think anyone will ever devalue the perfect game because of the last pitch.
I just think he was anticipating strike. Humber wasn't that far off with any other pitch all day. The Mariners did have a guy try to bunt which is a sin in baseball to break up no hitters and had another batter shorten up as if to bunt, but he didn't so it could have been all for show. I don't think there are many people that didn't think the batter swung at the pitch.
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Old 04-22-2012, 11:41 AM
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SouthSideSox posted this screen grab, which I think verifies that he really did go 'round:

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/10...5055452264.png

This is from this article, btw: http://www.southsidesox.com/2012/4/2...game#storyjump
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Old 04-22-2012, 11:49 AM
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Where's Ramon Castro?
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Old 04-22-2012, 11:54 AM
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I thought he swung when I saw the only replay they showed in game, but I admit I am biased.
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Old 04-22-2012, 11:57 AM
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Where's Ramon Castro?
Dunno. It seems that nobody picked him up this year.
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