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Old 10-03-2010, 09:00 PM
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Default 2011 Draft Order

1st Round:

1. Pittsburgh Pirates
2. Seattle Mariners
3. Arizona Diamondbacks
4. Baltimore Orioles
5. Kansas City Royals
6. Washington Nationals
7. Arizona Diamondbacks (Loux - unsigned)
8. Cleveland Indians
9. Chicago Cubs
10. San Diego Padres (Whitson - unsigned)
11. Houston Astros
12. Milwaukee Brewers
13. New York Mets
14. Florida Marlins
15. Milwaukee Brewers (Covey - unsigned)
16. Los Angeles Dodgers
17. Los Angeles Angels
18. Oakland Athletics
19. Boston Red Sox (V. Martinez - DET)
20. Colorado Rockies
21. Toronto Blue Jays
22. St. Louis Cardinals
23. Washington Nationals (Dunn - CWS)
24. Tampa Bay Rays (Crawford - BOS)
25. San Diego Padres
26. Boston Red Sox (Beltre - TEX)
27. Cincinnati Reds
28. Atlanta Braves
29. San Francisco Giants
30. Minnesota Twins
31. Tampa Bay Rays (R. Soriano - NYY)
32. Tampa Bay Rays
33. Texas Rangers (C. Lee - PHI)


Comp Round A:


34. Washington Nationals (Dunn - CWS)
35. Toronto Blue Jays (Downs - LAA)
36. Boston Red Sox (V. Martinez - DET)
37. Texas Rangers (C. Lee - PHI)
38. Tampa Bay Rays (R. Soriano - NYY)
39. Philadelphia Phillies (Werth - WAS)
40. Boston Red Sox (Beltre - TEX)
41. Tampa Bay Rays (Crawford - BOS)
42. Tampa Bay Rays (Balfour - OAK)
43. Arizona Diamondbacks (LaRoche - WAS)
44. New York Mets (Feliciano - NYY)
45. Colorado Rockies (Dotel - TOR)
46. Toronto Blue Jays (Buck - FLA)
47. Chicago White Sox (Putz - ARI)
48. San Diego Padres (Garland - LAD)
49. San Francisco Giants (Uribe - LAD)
50. Minnesota Twins (Hudson - SD)
51. New York Yankees (Vazquez - FLA)
52. Tampa Bay Rays (Hawpe - SD)
53. Toronto Blue Jays (Gregg - BAL)
54. San Diego Padres (Torrealba - TEX)
55. Minnesota Twins (Crain - CWS)
56. Tampa Bay Rays (Benoit - DET)
57. Toronto Blue Jays (Olivo - SEA)
58. San Diego Padres (Correia - PIT)
59. Tampa Bay Rays (Choate - FLA)
60. Tampa Bay Rays (Qualls - SD)


Second Round

61. Pittsburgh Pirates
62. Seattle Mariners
63. Arizona Diamondbacks
64. Baltimore Orioles
65. Kansas City Royals
66. Philadelphia Phillies (Werth - WAS)
67. Cleveland Indians
68. Chicago Cubs
69. Houston Astros
70. Milwaukee Brewers
71. New York Mets
72. Florida Marlins
73. Los Angeles Dodgers
74. Toronto Blue Jays (Downs - LAA)
75. Tampa Bay Rays (Balfour - OAK)
76. Detroit Tigers
77. Colorado Rockies
78. Toronto Blue Jays
79. St. Louis Cardinals
80. Chicago White Sox
81. Tampa Bay Rays
82. San Diego Padres
83. Texas Rangers
84. Cincinnati Reds
85. Atlanta Braves
86. San Francisco Giants
87. Minnesota Twins
88. New York Yankees
89. Tampa Bay Rays
90. Philadelphia Phillies


Third Round

91. Pittsburgh Pirates
92. Seattle Mariners
93. Arizona Diamondbacks
94. Baltimore Orioles
95. Kansas City Royals
96. Washington Nationals
97. Cleveland Indians
98. Chicago Cubs
99. Houston Astros
100. Milwaukee Brewers
101. New York Mets
102. Florida Marlins
103. Los Angeles Dodgers
104. Los Angeles Angels
105. Oakland Athletics
106. Detroit Tigers
107. Colorado Rockies
108. Toronto Blue Jays
109. St. Louis Cardinals
110. Chicago White Sox
111. Boston Red Sox
112. San Diego Padres
113. Texas Rangers
114. Cincinnati Reds
115. Atlanta Braves
116. San Francisco Giants
117. Minnesota Twins
118. New York Yankees
119. Tampa Bay Rays
120. Philadelphia Phillies


Comp Round B:

121. Seattle Mariners (Stanek - unsigned)


Rounds 4-50:


122. Pittsburgh Pirates
123. Seattle Mariners
124. Arizona Diamondbacks
125. Baltimore Orioles
126. Kansas City Royals
127. Washington Nationals
128. Cleveland Indians
129. Chicago Cubs
130. Houston Astros
131. Milwaukee Brewers
132. New York Mets
133. Florida Marlins
134. Los Angeles Dodgers
135. Los Angeles Angels
136. Oakland Athletics
137. Detroit Tigers
138. Colorado Rockies
139. Toronto Blue Jays
140. St. Louis Cardinals
141. Chicago White Sox
142. Boston Red Sox
143. San Diego Padres
144. Texas Rangers
145. Cincinnati Reds
146. Atlanta Braves
147. San Francisco Giants
148. Minnesota Twins
149. New York Yankees
150. Tampa Bay Rays
151. Philadelphia Phillies

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Old 10-03-2010, 09:18 PM
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The White Sox stand to gain as many as 5 additional picks throughout the 1st, Supplemental, and 2nd round depending on free agent compensation. This is all dependent on PK, AJ, and Putz declining arbitration if offered, and then signing elsewhere.

PK and AJ are both Type A free agents at the moment. The declining of arbitration if offered will result in the eventual signing team forfeiting 2 picks to the White Sox. If the signing team is outside the first 18 picks, the White Sox gain their 1st round pick, as well as a Supplemental pick. If the signing team's 1st round pick is within the first 18, the White Sox gain that team's 2nd round pick in addition to a Supplemental pick.

Putz is at the moment a Type B free agent. The declining of arbitration if offered will result in White Sox gaining a Supplemental pick if he signs elsewhere. The signing team does not lose a selection.


Offseason deadlines have been moved up this year:
- The deadline to offer arbitration is now November 23rd.
- The deadline to accept or decline arbitration is November 30th.

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Old 10-04-2010, 12:21 AM
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I wouldn't offer AJ arbitration, would you?

There is no way anyone will offer him 7 million per year. He'd be crazy not to accept.

Also, what are the early rumblings, if any, as far as draft depth is concerned for 2011?
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Old 10-04-2010, 01:49 AM
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I think it can go either way for AJ. He probably wants a multi-year deal and could get one with the weak catching market. Lip was mentioning how much of a mess AJ was earlier this year worrying about free agency. He might want nothing to do with a one year deal and opt for security elsewhere. The only reason I think the Sox wouldn't offer arbitration is if the amount he will likely be awarded will absolutely hamstring payroll, which is always a possibility.

PK and Putz will be offered arbitration without question though.

As far as the 2011 draft class, it is loaded. Both 2009 and 2010 were weak in comparison. It would very nice to have extra picks this coming year. Though with the Sox track record, they won't be splurging on extra picks. Cheap is par for the course.
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Old 10-04-2010, 10:04 AM
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I see both sides of the argument for AJ, but I would personally offer him arbitration. I think the upside of two high draft picks is worth the risk of paying AJ $7M on a one-year deal.
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Old 10-04-2010, 11:28 AM
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I see both sides of the argument for AJ, but I would personally offer him arbitration. I think the upside of two high draft picks is worth the risk of paying AJ $7M on a one-year deal.
Agreed. I still think Flowers may one day be a serviceable MLB catcher (IMO, his struggles really happened after taking advice from Walker ~ 1 month into the season). I wouldn't necessarily be really comfortable with him handling the duties next year, though. I'd love to see AJ here and have his mind settled.
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Old 10-04-2010, 11:38 AM
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I see both sides of the argument for AJ, but I would personally offer him arbitration. I think the upside of two high draft picks is worth the risk of paying AJ $7M on a one-year deal.
These are my thoughts as well. The Sox desperately need to improve the farm to better situate themselves for sustained success. The farm is bottom 3 in all baseball right now. The possibility of having 6 picks in the first 3 rounds (1, S, 2) is very nice in what looks like a deep draft class. The Sox need to take advantage and actually spend if this situation comes to fruition.
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Old 10-04-2010, 11:41 AM
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I think you have to offer arb to PK, Putz, and AJ. AJ is the only questionable one. Either you bring him back for 1 more year (and probably only that) at an inflated salary, or you get picks for him. And with our farm system, we really need the high picks. I think he will want a multiyear deal.

As much as Ive liked AJ in the past, Im hoping for the later. We need compensatory picks. It has really helped some of the successful org's.
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Old 10-04-2010, 12:40 PM
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I think you have to offer arb to PK, Putz, and AJ. AJ is the only questionable one. Either you bring him back for 1 more year (and probably only that) at an inflated salary, or you get picks for him. And with our farm system, we really need the high picks. I think he will want a multiyear deal.

As much as Ive liked AJ in the past, Im hoping for the later. We need compensatory picks. It has really helped some of the successful org's.
I honestly think if the Sox offer AJ arb, though, he takes it. How many teams are going to give up their 1st/2nd round draft pick for a 33-year-old catcher who plays spotty defense and is coming off one of the worst years of his career?
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Old 10-04-2010, 01:21 PM
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I honestly think if the Sox offer AJ arb, though, he takes it. How many teams are going to give up their 1st/2nd round draft pick for a 33-year-old catcher who plays spotty defense and is coming off one of the worst years of his career?
A team with a protected 1st round pick is more likely to kick the tires. I think a team would be willing to lose a 2nd round pick for a 2 to 3 years worth of AJ. Obviously much comes down to the individual's preference of money versus job security. Does AJ think he can go out and perform much better with a 1 year contract to try and get a bigger/longer deal next off-season? He isn't a slam dunk decision like Putz/PK, so it will be interesting to follow.
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A team with a protected 1st round pick is more likely to kick the tires. I think a team would be willing to lose a 2nd round pick for a 2 to 3 years worth of AJ. Obviously much comes down to the individual's preference of money versus job security. Does AJ think he can go out and perform much better with a 1 year contract to try and get a bigger/longer deal next off-season? He isn't a slam dunk decision like Putz/PK, so it will be interesting to follow.
I agree with this; however, do you think AJ would be willing to risk playing for one of the pick-protected teams, rather than a contender? I get the sense that he'd be willing to come back here for a year and contend with the Twins rather than play for the Astros or somebody like that.
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Old 10-05-2010, 10:40 AM
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These are my thoughts as well. The Sox desperately need to improve the farm to better situate themselves for sustained success. The farm is bottom 3 in all baseball right now. The possibility of having 6 picks in the first 3 rounds (1, S, 2) is very nice in what looks like a deep draft class. The Sox need to take advantage and actually spend if this situation comes to fruition.
I can agree with this view.

But what degree of confidence do you have that the SOX won't screw the pooch on these additional picks, and go for signability rather than talent?

For my part, I have little confidence that the SOX would take FULL ADVANTAGE of any additional picks, based on their history.
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Old 10-05-2010, 10:48 AM
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I can agree with this view.

But what degree of confidence do you have that the SOX won't screw the pooch on these additional picks, and go for signability rather than talent?

For my part, I have little confidence that the SOX would take FULL ADVANTAGE of any additional picks, based on their history.
I have little confidence that they eschew signability for strictly talent. Especially if they end up gaining many picks. More picks = more money spent. When your team habitually is in the bottom of draft spending it doesn't bode well for having many additional selections. They did however pick and sign Trayce Thompson with the OCab 2nd rounder. (Pheglegy was the Supp) I don't think Trayce cost a boatload, but that pick deviated from the norm as he is a prep player, quite toolsy, and has a very high ceiling. He might have been one of the few outliers though.
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Old 11-23-2010, 11:45 AM
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The Red Sox will acquire the Tigers 1st round pick for losing Victor Martinez to Detroit. This was the first unprotected pick available and thereby the best pick available in compensation. Boston will also receive a supplemental pick.
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I think you have to offer arb to AJ, PK, and Putz. One or more, may accept, but the reward is far greater than the risk.
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