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Old 04-24-2011, 09:47 AM
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Can someone shed some light as to why the Sox put games on this station? I can get all the Comcast games and the WGN games from my proximety from Chicago on DirectTV but not games on The U. It's a weak little pondunk station anyway and I why on Earth do the Sox continuosly use this damn thing.

I aplogize if this ground has been covered before but I missed it if it was.
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Old 04-24-2011, 10:05 AM
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Can someone shed some light as to why the Sox put games on this station? I can get all the Comcast games and the WGN games from my proximety from Chicago on DirectTV but not games on The U. It's a weak little pondunk station anyway and I why on Earth do the Sox continuosly use this damn thing.

I aplogize if this ground has been covered before but I missed it if it was.
The quality of the broadcast picture for the games on "The U" are terrible. The picture is so dark every game looks like they need to turn the lights on.

I think "The U" uses cell phones for their television cameras.
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Old 04-24-2011, 10:11 AM
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Can someone shed some light as to why the Sox put games on this station? I can get all the Comcast games and the WGN games from my proximety from Chicago on DirectTV but not games on The U. It's a weak little pondunk station anyway and I why on Earth do the Sox continuosly use this damn thing.

I aplogize if this ground has been covered before but I missed it if it was.
As someone without cable, I'm glad they show games on the U. You can get it over the antenna.
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Old 04-24-2011, 11:20 AM
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As someone without cable, I'm glad they show games on the U. You can get it over the antenna.
I'm the other person on this board without cable and am also happy they show Sox games and other sporting events on Channel 26.1.
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Old 04-24-2011, 11:23 AM
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From my interview with Bob Grim:

ML: I know at White Sox Interactive we get comments from fans living near Chicago but still a good 75 to 100 miles away talking about how they can’t get WCIU for example, yet when they try to sign up to watch the Sox through MLB video on their computers they are told the game is “blacked out.” It doesn’t make sense to me to alienate fans who are willing to pay to see the games yet are told, “no can do.”

BG: “I know first hand that you really can’t get the WCIU signal if you live outside of Chicago and that’s an issue. Every time we show a game on WCIU, the next day I’ll get a few calls or e-mails from fans that finally got up the nerve to want to talk about it. You were in TV Mark, you know the saying that if someone finally contacts you on an issue there are ten more people who feel the same way, so yes it’s a big concern.”

“What we’ve done and are still working on this, is to try to do what we can, when we can. What I mean is that when ESPN for example, is doing a Sox game and that same night WCIU is showing the game locally, normally what happens is that ESPN is “blacked out” in all areas that are considered White Sox territory. Naturally we want our fans watching the game on our stations but realizing the limitation with WCIU we got ESPN to lift what they call the “second tier” blackout area…that’s places like South Bend, Indiana and we’re trying to get that into Rockford. We want our fans to at least see our games through someone even if it’s not our network.”

ML: Speaking of WCIU Bob, we get a lot of messages complaining about the technical issues and the overall quality of the signal when Sox games are on that station, far more it appears, then when WGN or Comcast Sports Chicago is doing the game. What is the problem with WCIU?

BG: “At this point in time WCIU ownership can’t make the upgrades needed to bring their signal more into line with WGN and Comcast. We’ve discussed that with them. That’s why for example, the MLB Extra Innings package can’t show Sox games with our announcers, when the game is on WCIU. The satellite that WCIU uses, simply isn’t strong enough for the satellite that DirecTV uses for the Extra Innings package to pick it up.”

ML: Is there any chance of the Sox pulling the games off WCIU in the future and moving them somewhere else?

BG: “Mark that’s part of the issue, there are no other options. When we put this together a few years ago, WGN went to every other TV station in the market and asked if they would be interested in being a part of it and the only one who said yes was WCIU.”

“And that doesn’t mean that the other stations don’t like the Sox, it’s a matter of business. A network station for example, gets their programming free from ABC, NBC, CBS, or Fox. They sell the advertising and get the profit. To carry the Sox they’d have to bump that programming and to be a part of the Sox Network they have to pay us a fee, so it’s just not practical for them.”

ML: Well that’s been an issue since the Sox originally left WGN before the start of the 1968 season. The Chicago market, unlike New York or Los Angeles for example, just doesn’t have and never had, the number of independent stations that had the flexibility to do something like show a lot of ballgames in prime time. I mean WLS for example isn’t going to take off their prime time fall shows in September to show White Sox games.

BG: “That’s exactly correct. What we hope happens, we’re watching it, is the situation at WGN after the Tribune Company sells them. It’s possible the CW Network just goes away or new ownership wants to go back to the way things used to be at that station, namely showing a lot of games from all sports. We’ve talked to WGN about picking up more Sox games and on nights other than Saturday, but they only have a certain number of times they can bump the CW Network throughout the year so right now they just don’t have the ability to take on more games.

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Old 04-24-2011, 11:41 AM
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I'm one of those considered in the Chicago market, but not close enough to Chicago to get WCIU. Therefore I'm in the blackout zone here. I wish Comcast cable would carry WCIU. I despise that channel
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Old 04-24-2011, 11:48 AM
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WCIU is one of the few TV stations in the US that makes full use of the ability to show many programs on separate sub-channels but that effects the overall quality of 26.1.

WCIU games are produced by WGN at Bradley Place and the finished product is then sent to WCIU via a dedicated fiber line. They use the same cameras as WGN/CSN but there is little Weigel Broadcasting can do without an expensive upgrade that they will not do as they are a cheap outfit.

Twins had the same problem with the UHF they were using and now all games have been moved to cable.

Now Comcast bigwigs in Philadelphia are looking at doing what they did in San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose - creating a second CSN to handle everything. In the Bay Area you have CSN-Bay Area and CSN-California. Chicago is rare where there is only ONE RSN in the market - New York has FOUR (YES, SNY, MSG and MSG+)

I would guess within 5 years you will see NO games on an over the air channel anywhere except when it is a network game. Local TV can not generate the revenue like a RSN can because the TV stations are not getting and revenue from the cable/dish providers.
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Old 04-24-2011, 11:54 AM
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It's ironic that so many people complain about the Sox being taken off of free TV 30 years ago, and now that most people have decided to pay for TV, people complain about games the Sox have on free TV.

Where I live, I can't get WGN or WCIU or the Chicago Comcast station, so I don't stand anywhere on the WCIU issue. But one thing I find interesting is that the Bay Area has two Comcast sports stations, one that broadcasts almost all of the Giants games and another that broadcasts almost all of the A's games. A few games are on what is technically still free television. A recent White-Sox A's game was pre-empted for a regular season NBA game, which also took precedence on the radio station where I can hear A's games, but mostly each team in the two team market and northern California has its own cable station.
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Old 04-24-2011, 12:21 PM
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As someone without cable, I'm glad they show games on the U. You can get it over the antenna.
Same here.
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Old 04-24-2011, 12:56 PM
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It is my understanding that they shift games to The U when conflicts arise on WGN (since these games are branded WGN presentations.) Why don't they just broadcast them on 9.2 or the cable equivalent.
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Old 04-24-2011, 01:02 PM
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It is my understanding that they shift games to The U when conflicts arise on WGN (since these games are branded WGN presentations.) Why don't they just broadcast them on 9.2 or the cable equivalent.
99 percent of the viewers in Chicago have no clue 9.2 even exists and being a sub channel it would make for lousy HD.

I do think we will see a second CSN channel formed like the Bay Area. That would end overflow games on CLTV..... but it would also mean less over the air games.
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Old 04-24-2011, 01:16 PM
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99 percent of the viewers in Chicago have no clue 9.2 even exists and being a sub channel it would make for lousy HD.

I do think we will see a second CSN channel formed like the Bay Area. That would end overflow games on CLTV..... but it would also mean less over the air games.
I would be 100% in favor of this.
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Old 04-24-2011, 01:57 PM
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I would be 100% in favor of this.
Pretty simple to set up.... Sox and Bulls on one channel, Cubs and Hawks on the other.
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Old 04-24-2011, 05:03 PM
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The quality of the broadcast picture for the games on "The U" are terrible. The picture is so dark every game looks like they need to turn the lights on.

I think "The U" uses cell phones for their television cameras.

I thought maybe it was just my t.v.
I guess the picture stinks on the U . glad it isn't just my t.v.
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Old 04-24-2011, 05:53 PM
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I live in South Bend, and WMYS, channel 69 is a WCIU equivalent. It broadcasts Sox (and Cubs) games. Comcast also carries the station on cable. So, why does the ESPN blackout have to be lifted in South Bend? Also, my parents live in Portage, IN and have no problem receiving WCIU. So, a couple of things Bob Grim says in that interview, don't seem to match with reality.
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