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Old 09-24-2010, 12:16 AM
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Reading Phil Rogers article in the Chicago Tribune today about how KW basically rode the 2 best players of the Ron Schuler era (PK and Buehrle) to the World Series and since then hasn't really produced any talent. Other than Beckham.

The article goes on to say that he spends too much and trades too much of the farm system away. Here's my pet peeve. How successful were the Sox when they had a "good" farm system? The farm system does NOT win championships. I can't stand when people complain about our lack of talent down there because what good does it do if you don't win anything. Granted the Sox have only been to the postseason twice during KW's time here but they have been in contention into September 7 out of the last 8 years. That's pretty good. Not good enough but better than when Schuler was here and we had a "good" farm system.

I think the emphasis on having a good farm system is overrated. At the end of the day I wouldn't take any of the guys that have been traded back other than Gio Gonzalez.
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Old 09-24-2010, 12:33 AM
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Paul Konerko was as much a procuct of the White Sox farm system as Carlos Quentin was. Konerko came from the Dodgers farm system. He was a product of a trade from the Reds.
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Old 09-24-2010, 12:36 AM
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My pet peeve with the farm system is how if someone gets hurt or they say we can replace him from within, said replacement comes in here and is really bleeping bad at baseball. See 2003 and that cluster**** we had going at the 5th starter spot. Point I'm trying to make is, we don't need to build the entire team from within, but just be able to replace certain parts from within helps over the course of the season.
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Old 09-24-2010, 12:46 AM
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My pet peeve with the farm system is how if someone gets hurt or they say we can replace him from within, said replacement comes in here and is really bleeping bad at baseball. See 2003 and that cluster**** we had going at the 5th starter spot. Point I'm trying to make is, we don't need to build the entire team from within, but just be able to replace certain parts from within helps over the course of the season.
And even better would be to have some of those replacement pieces become key full-time players a year or so down the road after that first fill-in period. Seems like other teams can spin things to work out like that so much more than the Sox. Maybe it's just a grass-is-always-greener thing.
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Old 09-24-2010, 08:29 AM
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Reading Phil Rogers article in the Chicago Tribune today.
The same Phil Rogers who, a couple of years ago, wrote that the way to evaluate a trade is to count how many players each team gave up and received and the team that received the highest number of players came out ahead? Under this system, if a team sent three players to the Cards for Pujols, the Cards come out ahead because they got three players. That Phil Rogers? Did he detail Paulie's rise through the Sox farm system?
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Old 09-24-2010, 10:19 AM
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Reading Phil Rogers article in the Chicago Tribune today about how KW basically rode the 2 best players of the Ron Schuler era (PK and Buehrle) to the World Series and since then hasn't really produced any talent. Other than Beckham.

The article goes on to say that he spends too much and trades too much of the farm system away. Here's my pet peeve. How successful were the Sox when they had a "good" farm system? The farm system does NOT win championships. I can't stand when people complain about our lack of talent down there because what good does it do if you don't win anything. Granted the Sox have only been to the postseason twice during KW's time here but they have been in contention into September 7 out of the last 8 years. That's pretty good. Not good enough but better than when Schuler was here and we had a "good" farm system.

I think the emphasis on having a good farm system is overrated. At the end of the day I wouldn't take any of the guys that have been traded back other than Gio Gonzalez.
Sounds as if Rogers is contradicting himself in his own article- on one hand KW hasn't cultivated any talent in the minors, but goes on to rip him for trading away their top prospects.

Am I missing something? PR is one of a kind....
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Old 09-24-2010, 10:22 AM
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It's remarkable how uniformly awful Chicago sportswriters have been for the last 10-15 years. There's been no one with a national presence. Rogers is probably the best known presently and he's frankly pathetic. Unoriginal, uninformative and bland.
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Old 09-24-2010, 10:23 AM
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Reading Phil Rogers article in the Chicago Tribune today about how KW basically rode the 2 best players of the Ron Schuler era (PK and Buehrle) to the World Series and since then hasn't really produced any talent. Other than Beckham.

The article goes on to say that he spends too much and trades too much of the farm system away. Here's my pet peeve. How successful were the Sox when they had a "good" farm system? The farm system does NOT win championships. I can't stand when people complain about our lack of talent down there because what good does it do if you don't win anything. Granted the Sox have only been to the postseason twice during KW's time here but they have been in contention into September 7 out of the last 8 years. That's pretty good. Not good enough but better than when Schuler was here and we had a "good" farm system.

I think the emphasis on having a good farm system is overrated. At the end of the day I wouldn't take any of the guys that have been traded back other than Gio Gonzalez.
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Old 09-24-2010, 10:24 AM
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what no love for WS MVP runner up Joe Crede?

I take PR's articles with a wide grain of salt and haven't bothered reading them for years. Sure he's a few notches above Cowely and well above the Moron but who cares.
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Old 09-24-2010, 10:32 AM
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I read that article and it was vintage Dr. Phil. A lot of borderline mental patient logic.
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Old 09-24-2010, 11:17 AM
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OUr farm system isn't particularly good. But you'll find some productive players on the As, the Padres, and, as always, with Friendly Arizona.
Most of this has happened in the last 2 years; when Williams has been off his game.
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Old 09-24-2010, 11:20 AM
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The same Phil Rogers who, a couple of years ago, wrote that the way to evaluate a trade is to count how many players each team gave up and received and the team that received the highest number of players came out ahead? Under this system, if a team sent three players to the Cards for Pujols, the Cards come out ahead because they got three players.
That was the way we used to calculate trades when we were in third grade. I'll package four or five crappy players, and you give me your star. Hey, you're getting four or five guys, c'mon!
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Old 09-24-2010, 11:50 AM
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That was the way we used to calculate trades when we were in third grade. I'll package four or five crappy players, and you give me your star. Hey, you're getting four or five guys, c'mon!
That's how we calculated trading baseball cards.
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Old 09-24-2010, 12:29 PM
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Phil Rogers is a moron who has a longstanding hatred of the White Sox.
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Old 09-24-2010, 12:37 PM
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I actually think the Sox farm system does need to get better for us to compete. We have a decent payroll, but not enough to fill every position with expensive veterans.

Right now, the only starter for us who isn't beyond the arbitration eligible stage is Beckham. Looking ahead, we now have Sale too and maybe Morel can become another good player too. That's an improvement over the years we were churning out Josh Fields and Lance Broadways year after year.

Yes, having a great minor league system can be overrated, but that doesn't mean the Sox farm system should be barren either. IMO, this is one of the biggest failing of KW's tenure and it is making it more difficult for us to compete with our division rivals.

I don't mind KW trading prospects for major league talent. But let's not pretend this will always be one sided for the Sox or that we can always rely on our own internal talent being good enough to trade, but not good enough to ever amount to much.

It's not only Gio. Ryan Sweeney and Chris Young aren't total losers either. There's also Clayton Richard (I haven't been against the Peavy deal) and Daniel Hudson. I'm not saying KW should never have traded any of these guys....but let's not pretend that the ex-Sox prospects out there are Gio and then drop off to Lance Broadway. John Ely's success at LA didn't last this year, but I hadn't heard that this means the end of his career or that he could never improve with more seasoning. Chris Carter has had a slow start so far, but he might not end up being a bust either.
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