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All the more to my point... past play does not dictate future ability or results as a coach.
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So you're saying there have not been any hitting successes here recently? Alright then. If you truly believe that, then an argument with you is impossible as you are operating in an entirely different universe.
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Mod Edit: You can make your point without resorting to personal attacks. You've been warned. |
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BTW I still think your autograph is worth more than used toilet paper..hahaha! |
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Do you know what an analogy is? The purpose of an analogy is to make sense so it can explain some other unrelated situation. They aren't supposed to be dumb. Why are we having this discussion? |
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My interpretation of that definition is that you are taking two things that you probably wouldn't mention in the same sentence and make them sound similiar.. Your point is correct...The end result is for it all to make sense...My point is also correct...When you first read an analogy, on the surface it sounds kind of silly because you are putting things together that don't belong together. |
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Fire Walker.
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![]() Agree 100%. Sometimes former stars make bad coaches. I have former players who were great players but couldn't coach their way out of a paper bag. In turn, I've had mediocre players and even the ones with the least talent be some of the best coaches.
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They said this after Gary Ward couldn't get them to hit to their potential. They also said this after Ron Jackson couldn't get them to hit to their potential. Ironically, the White Sox were ninth in runs winning the World Series, then were on a pace to score about 1100 after the first 85 games of 2006. Was Walker all of a sudden a genious? No. They just got the big hits when they needed them in 2005, then crushed the ball for three months the next season. Should he get all the credit for Quentin's 2008 season, Beckham's strong starting MLB career, or Pods 2009 resurgence? No again. But should Walker be fired because these hitters choke in the clutch or did not produce? No. It seems most posters on this board believe Thome and Dye are washed up, Wise is not a major-league hitter, there are too many rookies in the lineup, etc., then how does the hitting coach heal this? Maybe it is performance.... And while we are on it, should Coop be fired because his bullpen has cracked up in three of the past four seasons? Or that the fifth starter situation has bit the White Sox in the ass for the umpteenth season since the mid-90's? He got so much credit for making a productive pitcher out of Matt Thornton, but what about the talent of Boone Logan, Andrew Sisco, Tony Pena, Javier Vazquez, Neal Cotts, etc.? What about Contreras pitching BP pretty much since he lost to the cubs near mid-season in 2006? What about getting Jenks conditioned properly? Just like Walker, the answer is no. Coop can only help prepare them. Should Cora be fired because of the lousy defensive teams we have fielded since the 2006 season? Why are they so lacking in fundamentals?The defense is his responsibility after all. But with the silly CF pickups KW has made since 2001, is it Cora's fault that he has to make washed up players prime defenders at key positions? Again, like Walker and Coop, the answer is no. He can only work with them and try to instill the basics. Range, speed, and instincts are up to the players. Maybe the White Sox should do something different, and that is stick by the coaches they feel are doing their jobs, and make the players more responsible for the shortcomings they exhibit. When is anyone ever going to put the blame on the guys who acquired the players, or better yet, the players themselves?
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Should Walker be held to ANY standard of performance, in your eyes?? |
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The 2005 White Sox were the best clutch-hitting team of this group. They hit a lot of HR's, but the hitters executed when the opportunities were there. They also fielded well. Team ERA's are mis-leading. For 2009 there are just a handful of players primarily responsible for the team ERA: Buehrle, Danks, Thornton, Dotel, Carrasco, and pre-August Jenks. Post ASB Floyd was a factor, but the rest are arsonists. And yes, Walker should be held accountable.... by his manager and the team. If the team feels he is doing his job, and the players are not doing theirs, then obviously some changes are in store. |
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Of course it is. It's equally possible that it could do better, but to say it couldn't do worse is ignoring many offenses that are/have been worse.
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