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Old 07-24-2009, 11:33 PM
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Default Brandon Allen

The man is on a mission. In my opinion, KW made the wrong move by trading Allen, especially considering the return.

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Old 07-24-2009, 11:34 PM
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Such is the nature of the PCL. I wouldn't read too much into it. Just a timely streak.
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Old 07-24-2009, 11:42 PM
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Such is the nature of the PCL. I wouldn't read too much into it. Just a timely streak.
My opinion was based on this year in it's entirety however you still may be right.
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Old 07-25-2009, 11:01 AM
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If you look at last year -- especially in a tough place to hit like Birmingham -- along with this year, Allen has put together a nice run. He may just be an average MLB offensive 1b, but when you add speed, decent defense, the fact he hits left-handed and three years of cheap control, that seems like an awful lot to give up for the fifth guy in your bullpen. Hope I'm wrong and Pena works his way into a seventh or eighth inning role, but I hated this trade.
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Old 07-25-2009, 11:04 AM
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If you look at last year -- especially in a tough place to hit like Birmingham -- along with this year, Allen has put together a nice run. He may just be an average MLB offensive 1b, but when you add speed, decent defense, the fact he hits left-handed and three years of cheap control, that seems like an awful lot to give up for the fifth guy in your bullpen. Hope I'm wrong and Pena works his way into a seventh or eighth inning role, but I hated this trade.
If anything, I think Kenny wanted to move him before it became apparent that the Sox did not have a spot for Brandon. Given the performance of the core power hitters this year, they realized they may be around next year (both Dye and Thome).
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Old 07-25-2009, 11:06 AM
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My opinion was based on this year in it's entirety however you still may be right.
Of course. He was unbelievable last season, but has had trouble replicating his power (check out his ISO numbers). He may have just needed more time to figure it out, but there are questions abound with Allen.
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Old 07-25-2009, 11:12 AM
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Of course. He was unbelievable last season, but has had trouble replicating his power (check out his ISO numbers). He may have just needed more time to figure it out, but there are questions abound with Allen.
Sure. Arizona took the side of the deal with risk and upside. The Sox have more of the sure thing now. The upside for the Sox is Tony Pena is somewhat better than Adam Russell would have been. And the way Russell's been throwing it lately, questions abound there too.
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Old 07-25-2009, 11:36 AM
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If you look at last year -- especially in a tough place to hit like Birmingham -- along with this year, Allen has put together a nice run. He may just be an average MLB offensive 1b, but when you add speed, decent defense, the fact he hits left-handed and three years of cheap control, that seems like an awful lot to give up for the fifth guy in your bullpen. Hope I'm wrong and Pena works his way into a seventh or eighth inning role, but I hated this trade.
I'm sure that's what the Sox hope and expect and think he'll become a cheaper version of Dotel next year at the least. Freeing up that money to be spent elsewhere.

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If anything, I think Kenny wanted to move him before it became apparent that the Sox did not have a spot for Brandon. Given the performance of the core power hitters this year, they realized they may be around next year (both Dye and Thome).
Exactly. The Sox are fine at power hitting 1B for the foreseeable future.
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Old 07-25-2009, 11:56 AM
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If anything, I think Kenny wanted to move him before it became apparent that the Sox did not have a spot for Brandon. Given the performance of the core power hitters this year, they realized they may be around next year (both Dye and Thome).
Thome's gone after this year.
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Thome's gone after this year.
Don't bet on it.
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Old 07-25-2009, 02:23 PM
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So, the ability to replace Dotel's $5 mil frees up money for other areas, but the ability to replace Thome's $15 mil doesn't?

It's possible the Sox don't believe Allen is anything more than Daryl Ward, so they were getting out before he lost his value. They're good at self-scouting, so that's a possibility. But KW has a thing for other people's middle relievers (Vizcaino, Macdougal, Linebrink, Dotel, Aardsma, etc.). And he's always willing to overpay for veterans (see last year's Griffey trade -- is Masset any worse than Pena?). I think he fell in love with 2007 Tony Pena and paid top dollar for 2009 Tony Pena. Hope it works. Have my doubts.
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Old 07-25-2009, 03:48 PM
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My concern with respect to trading away Allen was his status as a lefty power bat; I don't see any other near MLB-ready lefty power bats in the organization.

At the same time, I think KW knew that Allen didn't have a spot here next year, and were he not on the 40 man roster, he'd be Rule 5 eligibile this offseason. I think this may have played a part in KW's decision to move Allen at this time.
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So, the ability to replace Dotel's $5 mil frees up money for other areas, but the ability to replace Thome's $15 mil doesn't?

It's possible the Sox don't believe Allen is anything more than Daryl Ward, so they were getting out before he lost his value. They're good at self-scouting, so that's a possibility. But KW has a thing for other people's middle relievers (Vizcaino, Macdougal, Linebrink, Dotel, Aardsma, etc.). And he's always willing to overpay for veterans (see last year's Griffey trade -- is Masset any worse than Pena?). I think he fell in love with 2007 Tony Pena and paid top dollar for 2009 Tony Pena. Hope it works. Have my doubts.
If Brandon Allen could have put up a .392 wOBA next season he wouldn't have been dealt. The likelihood that Pena replaces Dotel's production is far, far more likely than Allen turning into even a run-down Jim Thome by 2010.

Is Masset worse than Pena? Uh, **** yes. Don't let 40 innings aided by a very lucky BABIP lead you to idiotic conclusions.

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My concern with respect to trading away Allen was his status as a lefty power bat; I don't see any other near MLB-ready lefty power bats in the organization.

At the same time, I think KW knew that Allen didn't have a spot here next year, and were he not on the 40 man roster, he'd be Rule 5 eligibile this offseason. I think this may have played a part in KW's decision to move Allen at this time.
He wasn't MLB ready.

Do you really not see anyone KW could have cut loose to make room for Allen? He would have been put on the 40 man -- he just isn't worth all that much to this franchise. Is Pena worth more? Probably.
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Old 07-25-2009, 04:39 PM
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He wasn't MLB ready.
I tend to agree with you on this point. I don't think his minor league numbers projected him to be on the big club in 2010. But again, he IS a lefty power bat.

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Do you really not see anyone KW could have cut loose to make room for Allen? He would have been put on the 40 man -- he just isn't worth all that much to this franchise. Is Pena worth more? Probably.
Without considering who else would have to be protected, I can't make a definitive statement as to whether or not he'd be put in the 40 man. Especially when you consider how close Allen may or may not be to the bigs.

I also reserve judgement on Pena. I also thought of him as a potential Dotel replacement, at a lower price; Pena's contract enables KW to perhaps extend Jenks again.

So considering whether or not to keep Allen in the 40 man, PLUS the current status of the bullpen in light of potential budgetary constraints, Pena for Allen was the right move, IMO. I'd just feel better if there were another lefty bat in the organization that is anywhere near to being called up.
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Old 08-22-2009, 06:17 PM
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He was called up to the big show today. No denying he has been absolutely amazing since the trade. 12 HR's in a month...
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