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Old 12-08-2008, 10:12 AM
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I've read that the 2009 draft class has a deep core of really good HS catchers. Hopefully we can get in on one of them (and please don't say we're not gonna draft a catcher because Flowers is in the system now)....
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Old 12-08-2008, 01:47 PM
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Lots and lots of teams passed on Porcello. His price was very prohibitive, and I see no problem with taking Poreda there.
At the time yes. But right now, with Porcello knocking on the door with ace potential and Poreda still looking like a middle reliever, the choice should be clear.
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Old 12-08-2008, 06:30 PM
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I've read that the 2009 draft class has a deep core of really good HS catchers. Hopefully we can get in on one of them (and please don't say we're not gonna draft a catcher because Flowers is in the system now)....
From what it seems, Flowers will be at 1B or DH and of course you draft for talent not need.
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Old 12-08-2008, 07:46 PM
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At the time yes. But right now, with Porcello knocking on the door with ace potential and Poreda still looking like a middle reliever, the choice should be clear.
I'm sorry, what the hell do you mean by "knocking on the door"? Rick has thrown 125 professional innings, none of which were above A+ ball.

And how on earth is Poreda looking like a middle reliever?
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Old 12-08-2008, 07:58 PM
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I'm sorry, what the hell do you mean by "knocking on the door"? Rick has thrown 125 professional innings, none of which were above A+ ball.

And how on earth is Poreda looking like a middle reliever?
Porcello is, at least, a year away.

Poreda will probably pitch in Chicago this year, but it will be as a middle reliever because he only has one pitch. His slider has potential, but will never have a curve and with that arm slot will have almost no chance of producing a servicable change. That sound a lot like Thornton.
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Old 12-08-2008, 08:07 PM
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Porcello is, at least, a year away.

Poreda will probably pitch in Chicago this year, but it will be as a middle reliever because he only has one pitch. His slider has potential, but will never have a curve and with that arm slot will have almost no chance of producing a servicable change. That sound a lot like Thornton.
Can we end this "only has one pitch" lunacy?
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Old 12-08-2008, 08:25 PM
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Can we end this "only has one pitch" lunacy?
Show me another pitch and maybe.
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Old 12-08-2008, 08:32 PM
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Show me another pitch and maybe.
His slider has gotten good review thus far.
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Old 12-08-2008, 08:43 PM
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His slider has gotten good review thus far.
A plus fastball and 'get me by' slider isn't going to cut it as a starter. His fastball isn't good enough to only have an average, at best, slider cut it as a starter. That repertoire screams Matt Thornton.
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Old 12-08-2008, 08:45 PM
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A plus fastball and 'get me by' slider isn't going to cut it as a starter. His fastball isn't good enough to only have an average, at best, slider cut it as a starter. That repertoire screams Matt Thornton.
If his floor is Matt Thornton, I'm not concerned. Thornton could close for any team, and has a good amount of value as our set-up guy.
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Old 12-08-2008, 08:48 PM
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Thornton could close for any team
Let's not get carried away.

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and has a good amount of value as our set-up guy.
I agree.
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Old 12-08-2008, 09:28 PM
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Thornton's fastball is fairly straight. Isn't Poreda's fastball supposed to have massive sink/movement? That alread puts him one up on Thornton. It also softens the blow of not having an overpowering secondary pitch.
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Old 12-08-2008, 10:15 PM
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So no Sox on the top 50?
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Old 12-08-2008, 10:17 PM
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Isn't Poreda's fastball supposed to have massive sink/movement?
No.
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Old 12-08-2008, 10:17 PM
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So no Sox on the top 50?
Correct, according to this Top 50. I believe there are a few different outlets, though, that have their own Top 50, so maybe Beckham/Flowers cracks one of them?
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