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Old 06-04-2008, 11:33 AM
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I'm probably leaning between Gordan Beckham and Smoak here.

Beckham has some good pop for a middle infielder, line drive hitter with a good arm and should be a decent shortstop or an above average second baseman. Also, he's not exactly a burner but according to milb.com's draft preview he is an excellent baserunner so that adds a good dynamic to the lineup.

Smoak, is a slow runner though not necessarily a base clogger and at best an average defender at first base so he fits into the mold of the slow probably station to station runner that people seem to have fits about being in the lineup around here. However, this guy's a switch hitter with 40 HR potential and that is pretty hard to pass on.

I'd be fine with either one. But if at 8 Smoak and Beckham are available which one would you guys all go for?
As much as I'd like to see the Sox draft, sign, and develop a quality SS before the next ice age, and even though Beckham has had some Nomar comparisons thrown his way, I think you have to take Smoak. He is considered one of the safer picks in the draft, and his upside is around a switch-hitting Morneau. That doesn't come around too often.

Jason Castro would be a disaster, or at a minimum an unnecessarily large risk on the Sox highest pick since...1990? I know his upside is good, but at this point his college career indicates he is Jason Dellareo at catcher. Check out his career stats (from the Stanford site):

Year Avg GP-GS AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB SLG% BB HBP SO
2006.... .283 53-40 159 27 45 5 2 3 19 63 .396 19 2 18
2007.... .167 42-26 102 13 17 3 0 1 14 23 .225 17 1 23
2008.... .347 35-35 144 33 50 9 1 8 31 85 .590 12 2 22
TOTAL....277 130-101 405 73 112 17 3 12 64 171 .422 48 5 63

Hopefully this is just a smokescreen for the real pick the Sox are honing in on.
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Old 06-04-2008, 11:54 AM
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As much as I'd like to see the Sox draft, sign, and develop a quality SS before the next ice age, and even though Beckham has had some Nomar comparisons thrown his way, I think you have to take Smoak. He is considered one of the safer picks in the draft, and his upside is around a switch-hitting Morneau. That doesn't come around too often.

Jason Castro would be a disaster, or at a minimum an unnecessarily large risk on the Sox highest pick since...1990? I know his upside is good, but at this point his college career indicates he is Jason Dellareo at catcher. Check out his career stats (from the Stanford site):

Year Avg GP-GS AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB SLG% BB HBP SO
2006.... .283 53-40 159 27 45 5 2 3 19 63 .396 19 2 18
2007.... .167 42-26 102 13 17 3 0 1 14 23 .225 17 1 23
2008.... .347 35-35 144 33 50 9 1 8 31 85 .590 12 2 22
TOTAL....277 130-101 405 73 112 17 3 12 64 171 .422 48 5 63

Hopefully this is just a smokescreen for the real pick the Sox are honing in on.
If the Sox spend this high of a pick on a catcher, that is not the premier catcher, a la Joe Mauer, it would be a complete disaster when you consider the other options available.
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Old 06-04-2008, 12:12 PM
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If the Sox spend this high of a pick on a catcher, that is not the premier catcher, a la Joe Mauer, it would be a complete disaster when you consider the other options available.
I don't think Castro will be the pick. The highest rated catcher is a high schooler named Kyle Skipworth. He's been compared to Mauer but with more power.
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Old 06-04-2008, 12:19 PM
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As much as I'd like to see the Sox draft, sign, and develop a quality SS before the next ice age, and even though Beckham has had some Nomar comparisons thrown his way, I think you have to take Smoak. He is considered one of the safer picks in the draft, and his upside is around a switch-hitting Morneau. That doesn't come around too often.

Jason Castro would be a disaster, or at a minimum an unnecessarily large risk on the Sox highest pick since...1990? I know his upside is good, but at this point his college career indicates he is Jason Dellareo at catcher. Check out his career stats (from the Stanford site):

Year Avg GP-GS AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB SLG% BB HBP SO
2006.... .283 53-40 159 27 45 5 2 3 19 63 .396 19 2 18
2007.... .167 42-26 102 13 17 3 0 1 14 23 .225 17 1 23
2008.... .347 35-35 144 33 50 9 1 8 31 85 .590 12 2 22
TOTAL....277 130-101 405 73 112 17 3 12 64 171 .422 48 5 63

Hopefully this is just a smokescreen for the real pick the Sox are honing in on.
It's got to be Beckham if he's available. A shortstop in the SEC leading the nation in homers looks as safe a bet as one can get in the annual mlb crapshoot. I'm hoping he's still available.
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Old 06-04-2008, 12:51 PM
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The highest rated catcher is a high schooler named Kyle Skipworth.
I've yet to see a projection with Skipworth going before Posey.

Skipworth has way more potential than Castro, but will require a bonus significantly higher than slot.
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Old 06-04-2008, 12:58 PM
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I'm probably leaning between Gordan Beckham and Smoak here.

Beckham has some good pop for a middle infielder, line drive hitter with a good arm and should be a decent shortstop or an above average second baseman. Also, he's not exactly a burner but according to milb.com's draft preview he is an excellent baserunner so that adds a good dynamic to the lineup.

Smoak, is a slow runner though not necessarily a base clogger and at best an average defender at first base so he fits into the mold of the slow probably station to station runner that people seem to have fits about being in the lineup around here. However, this guy's a switch hitter with 40 HR potential and that is pretty hard to pass on.

I'd be fine with either one. But if at 8 Smoak and Beckham are available which one would you guys all go for?

Also, all this information I gleaned off of milb.com's draft preview, I don't claim to be an insider.
I heard Smoak is a very good defender to go along with his offense. I heard Alonso's D is pretty poor.
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Old 06-04-2008, 01:13 PM
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I've yet to see a projection with Skipworth going before Posey.

Skipworth has way more potential than Castro, but will require a bonus significantly higher than slot.
You're right. For some reason, I keep forgetting Posey is a catcher.
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Old 06-04-2008, 01:33 PM
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You're right. For some reason, I keep forgetting Posey is a catcher.
He played SS his freshman year at FSU. They converted him to catcher.
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Old 06-04-2008, 06:29 PM
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I heard Smoak is a very good defender to go along with his offense. I heard Alonso's D is pretty poor.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/m...x.jsp?mc=smoak

That is where I got my information and I guess its not so much that he's a bad first baseman, just that its all he's ever going to be able to play.

Though, I've got no problem with a 40 HR high average switch hitter only playing first base.


Overall though I think its a moot point because I can't see him slipping to 8. I think he's the perfect pick for the Giants.
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Old 06-04-2008, 06:41 PM
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Ramirez is listed at 26 which means he's more likely to be 30. There's no upside with him as what we see this year is likely what we can expect to get in the next 1 to 3 years.

Silverio is 17 and a PROJECT. No telling what we'll have there.

We have an organizational need in the middle infield and Beckham looks like a solid bet with a great bat. I'd be disappointed if we don't take him provided that he's available.


There's no upside with Ramirez?
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Old 06-04-2008, 06:47 PM
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I've yet to see a projection with Skipworth going before Posey.

Skipworth has way more potential than Castro, but will require a bonus significantly higher than slot.
A lot of proj have Skipworth going to the Marlins, but they say he has as much or more upside than Posey. He is lower because he is a HS catcher vs Posey coming out of College who will be closer to the majors.
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Old 06-04-2008, 07:08 PM
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A lot of proj have Skipworth going to the Marlins, but they say he has as much or more upside than Posey. He is lower because he is a HS catcher vs Posey coming out of College who will be closer to the majors.
Don't get me wrong. I think Skipworth is clearly the #2 catcher on the board and his hitting skills are awesome for a HS'er. He does look raw, defensively, but has a great arm. I agree he has the same upside or more than Posey, but Posey is already much closer to that upside and Kyle needs to grow into his body before his mechanics behind the plate improve significantly.
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Old 06-04-2008, 09:16 PM
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Mayo has updated his blog and says the Reds are most likely going to take Beckham.
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Old 06-04-2008, 09:52 PM
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It's got to be Beckham if he's available. A shortstop in the SEC leading the nation in homers looks as safe a bet as one can get in the annual mlb crapshoot. I'm hoping he's still available.
I don't think so. He'll be switched to 2b in pro ball and I think that's way too high to pick a second baseman. I say either Castro or the best pitcher available.
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Old 06-04-2008, 10:00 PM
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He'll be switched to 2b in pro ball and I think that's way too high to pick a second baseman.
Why will he be switched to 2B? Is he just not good enough defensively to play SS in the majors?
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