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Old 05-08-2008, 11:31 AM
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Default This is the slowest White Sox team in a loooooong time.

This team is on pace to steal less then 45 bases. They have 8 swipes so far this year and really have no one that is a threat.

The lack of offensive balance on this club is astounding. It's like watching a softball team.

This, above all else, is the reason this team is going to struggle all year scoring runs.
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:33 AM
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This, above all else, is the reason this team is going to struggle all year scoring runs.
Probably has nothing to do with the team BA that's under .200 for the last week.
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:35 AM
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Why am I having deja vu with this thread???
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:36 AM
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Probably has nothing to do with the team BA that's under .200 for the last week.
Game, set, match. This thread is ovah!
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:48 AM
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Probably has nothing to do with the team BA that's under .200 for the last week.
Sure it does. When there's baserunners that are a threat to steal it puts the opposing pitcher in a different mindset and makes him go against his gameplan.

I.E. The pitcher will throw strikes rather than junk.

That in itself could make batting averages go up.

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Old 05-08-2008, 11:52 AM
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We need a Reggie Willits type of player. Anaheim doesn't even play this guy and he could be had very easy. Put him in Center mover Swish to right, Put Dye in DH and put Thome on the bench.
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:55 AM
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Sure it does. When there's baserunners that are a threat to steal it puts the opposing pitcher in a different mindset and makes him go against his gameplan.

I.E. The pitcher will throw strikes rather than junk.

That in itself could make batting averages go up.
And that difference is tiny.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:03 PM
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And that difference is tiny.
Well we know that having a team full of slow, plodding, station to station, hr hitting sluggers doesn't work......so why not play some good fundamental baseball (which includes hitting home runs AND stealing bases.)

Or we could go with the alternative......the same alternative we did in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, and 2008.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:04 PM
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And that difference is tiny.
Totally disagree with that. My batting average with men on was over .300, with nobody on under .200. I had the advantage of hitting with two guys who could steal a base ahead of me and they'd really make my day by taking off during running counts, which almost always guarenteed a nice fat high fastball to me. That I didn't hit it all the time is an indictment of my hitting.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:11 PM
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Totally disagree with that. My batting average with men on was over .300, with nobody on under .200. I had the advantage of hitting with two guys who could steal a base ahead of me and they'd really make my day by taking off during running counts, which almost always guarenteed a nice fat high fastball to me. That I didn't hit it all the time is an indictment of my hitting.
You are one example. Over thousands of guys the difference in performance with a slow plodding guy on vs. a big stolen base threat hasn't borne out to be all that much. Most everyone does better with a man or men on base, but who that man hasn't proven to be much difference in the long run.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:55 PM
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It also matters in another way... overall team speed doesn't just manifest itself with stolen bases or changing the opposing pitchers "philosophy", it matters when trying to score runs.

How many times have we seen the Sox have to get three hits in a inning to score a run? or have guys not be able to score from second on a hit? or from first on a drive into the gap??

And the way these guys are hitting it's difficult to see them be able to put three, four, five hits together to score multiple runs.

Having guys who can run means you may not have to have as many hits in an inning to get guys home.

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Old 05-08-2008, 12:58 PM
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This is such ridiculous nonsense. The offens just totally sucks right now, regardless of what style of play they've employed. If the Sox had a bunch of speedy runts out there, everyone would be bitching we don't have any big bats in the middle to help get that "big inning."

They just ****ing suck right now, everyone.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:04 PM
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It also matters in another way... overall team speed doesn't just manifest itself with stolen bases or changing the opposing pitchers "philosophy", it matters when trying to score runs.

How many times have we seen the Sox have to get three hits in a inning to score a run? or have guys not be able to score from second on a hit? or from first on a drive into the gap??

And the way these guys are hitting it's difficult to see them be able to put three, four, five hits together to score multiple runs.

Having guys who can run means you may not have to have as many hits in an inning to get guys home.

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This is both true and pointless. If the Sox were playing guys with no speed over equally talented guys with speed this might be something to discuss. But right now there is no one in the wings (outside of Richar who hopefully will get the 2B spot back when healthy) who brings both speed and anything close to equal overall ability to the person they would be replacing. Of course we all wish we had a team that wasn't so damn plodding. But right now its simply talking about what we'd love on a team, rather than reasonable alternatives. And no, Jerry Owens for Nick Swisher or Carlos Quentin isn't a reasonable alternative.
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:13 PM
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.... And no, Jerry Owens for Nick Swisher or Carlos Quentin isn't a reasonable alternative.
For that matter, Brian Anderson for Nick Swisher isn't a reasonable alternative, although I would like to see Swisher sit for a couple of days.

Anderson, Orlando Cabrera, Alexi Ramirez and Pablo Ozuna represent the speed on the team. Only one of them is generally in the game at any given time. At least two of them can't hit anyway.

If all of them were starting, Anderson in center and the others on the infield, you wouldn't see many stolen bases because they wouldn't be getting on base much.
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Old 05-08-2008, 08:26 PM
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I don't know what you guys are talking about. Thome and Quentin were tearing up the base paths today with that double steal.

Seriously, though, I think that a lineup of either pure speedsters or pure sluggers will not be successful. You need a mix in order to have a dangerous offense. In 2005, the offense wasn't exactly Murderers' Row, but they had the threat of speed and power. Also, the Angels have been fairly successful despite ranking in the bottom third of the majors in HRs, because they have guys that can run and are good at stringing together multiple hits.

Also, it's more fun to watch when there is a speed element. Home runs are impressive, but there is less drama.
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