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Old 06-24-2019, 11:19 AM
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Speaking of California they should take a hard look at Oakland. Not sure why they still have a team or are trying to get a new stadium. Oakland has homeless and economic issues that are literally doubling every year, but they have money for a stadium? For a team that's averaged 28th in the league in attendance the last five years? Even last year when they damn near won 100 games they were bottom of the league in draws. Not to mention the Raiders and Warriors have already left town/are leaving.
Oakland is going to get a ton of rich people living there very soon (many are there already) because those people are priced out of San Francisco or Silicon Valley. You're right, putting a team in San Jose would make more sense but the Giants would not allow it. (They, indeed, tried to move the A's to San Jose).

San Jose is one of the 10 largest cities in the United States, believe it or not.
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Old 06-24-2019, 11:28 AM
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Oakland is going to get a ton of rich people living there very soon (many are there already) because those people are priced out of San Francisco or Silicon Valley. You're right, putting a team in San Jose would make more sense but the Giants would not allow it. (They, indeed, tried to move the A's to San Jose).

San Jose is one of the 10 largest cities in the United States, believe it or not.
Oakland already has a new stadium also. It's set to open in 2023 and yes all parts of the Bay Area are seeing massive gentrification as people find the cost of renting/owning skyrocketing. But, there's a ton of new development going on so we might start seeing some older buildings start to drop in in price in coming years. I'm actually betting on this currently as we maybe looking for a condo in two years and I think prices are going to drop as supply goes up.
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Old 06-24-2019, 02:01 PM
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Oakland is going to get a ton of rich people living there very soon (many are there already) because those people are priced out of San Francisco or Silicon Valley. You're right, putting a team in San Jose would make more sense but the Giants would not allow it. (They, indeed, tried to move the A's to San Jose).

San Jose is one of the 10 largest cities in the United States, believe it or not.
I believe it, I've been out there a few times. Have family in Sacramento and Santa Rosa up north. Maybe I've heard different, I didn't realize the stadium was a done deal. I thought the city just passed the initial funding bills last week, over strenuous local opposition, from environmentalists and port workers, etc. and there was still a long way to go.

I get that more rich people are moving in but isn't that the issue? That the city is pricing out a significant chunk of the population? Just seems odd to read that homelessness is up nearly double in the last 2-3 years but the funding for a stadium is okayed. For a team that has attendance around Tampa Bay numbers.
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Old 06-25-2019, 08:19 AM
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The A's ballpark design is way out there. Located at the Howard Terminal seaport, it sits right on the bay and per the renditions has an open park feel to it, although I'm sure the final design will have outfield fences, etc.

Personally, I liked the design they had for San Jose a few years ago, but the Giants shot that down.

The A's/Giants market relationship dynamics are very similar to the SOX/Cubs market relationship. One team tends to dominate the media and plays in a pretty ballpark surrounded by trendy bars and restaurants.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/05/...minal-stadium/
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Old 06-25-2019, 05:22 PM
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Old 06-28-2019, 04:12 PM
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The A's ballpark design is way out there. Located at the Howard Terminal seaport, it sits right on the bay and per the renditions has an open park feel to it, although I'm sure the final design will have outfield fences, etc.

Personally, I liked the design they had for San Jose a few years ago, but the Giants shot that down.

The A's/Giants market relationship dynamics are very similar to the SOX/Cubs market relationship. One team tends to dominate the media and plays in a pretty ballpark surrounded by trendy bars and restaurants.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/05/...minal-stadium/
Exactly. When the Sox need a new ballpark in a decade, expect the situation to be the same level of hairy. Do the Cubs have a say in where the Sox can put a new ballpark? If so, they can make life very difficult.
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Oakland is going to get a ton of rich people living there very soon (many are there already) because those people are priced out of San Francisco or Silicon Valley. You're right, putting a team in San Jose would make more sense but the Giants would not allow it. (They, indeed, tried to move the A's to San Jose).
I'll believe it when I see it.
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Old 06-28-2019, 06:08 PM
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Oakland already has a new stadium also. It's set to open in 2023 and yes all parts of the Bay Area are seeing massive gentrification as people find the cost of renting/owning skyrocketing. But, there's a ton of new development going on so we might start seeing some older buildings start to drop in in price in coming years. I'm actually betting on this currently as we maybe looking for a condo in two years and I think prices are going to drop as supply goes up.

So this is development on undeveloped lands or is it tear downs?
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Old 06-29-2019, 12:34 AM
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So this is development on undeveloped lands or is it tear downs?
I don't know but it's hardly prime real estate being so close to the docks. It's right on the Bay as you can see from the graphic in the article. It will be the East Bay answer to Balco field

As someone who lives in the Bay Area I can tell you gentrification is ripping through the East Bay as people get priced out of the West Bay. It's happening everywhere and of course South Bay is not an answer because of all the money in Silicon Valley keeping prices high.

TONS of development all over the East Bay. 800K+ condos going up in Fremont and heading north. I'm witnessing it all first hand. It will take a long time for Oakland to reach full gentrification but parts of it the prices are going through the roof.
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Old 06-29-2019, 05:16 AM
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Exactly. When the Sox need a new ballpark in a decade, expect the situation to be the same level of hairy. Do the Cubs have a say in where the Sox can put a new ballpark? If so, they can make life very difficult.
Why would the Cubs have a say?
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Why would the Cubs have a say?
He's wondering if it's anything like the Bay Area situation, where the Giants have territorial exclusivity to parts of the Bay that the A's would like to move to.
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Old 06-30-2019, 05:33 AM
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He's wondering if it's anything like the Bay Area situation, where the Giants have territorial exclusivity to parts of the Bay that the A's would like to move to.
If I am the White Sox owner I'd throw a relocation comment out there. After all it's the Chicago White Sox. How could the Chicago Cubs be confused with the Chicago White Sox? Would the issue be collusion on prices? Where the Chicago White Sox draw off some of the Cubbies fans because of less expensive prices? If I am the WS I go after that red meat.

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Downtown is off limits to both teams. Don't know if the flubs blocked building New Comiskey in Addison, which was the original plan. I'd've preferred that, tbh, Addison is a nice area.
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Old 07-11-2019, 10:28 PM
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Downtown is off limits to both teams. Don't know if the flubs blocked building New Comiskey in Addison, which was the original plan. I'd've preferred that, tbh, Addison is a nice area.
Other than the fact that there is no room to develop a stadium, how is Downtown off limits?

Addison was not going to work because too many people can't get there easily, not centrally located, no CTA and the Metra is a spoke system out of downtown. There are a lot of nice areas in the suburbs.
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