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Old 06-11-2019, 09:36 AM
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It would be nice if one of the LH OFs - Basabe (who is a switch hitter), Rutherford, Gonzalez, or Walker - developed enough power to be a credible threat for, say 15-20 HRs.
That group of Birmingham hitters could also be used to acquire similarly situated pitching; but they need to get out of their funk.

They can't fix this pitching through free agency...that's rabbit's foot stuff.
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Old 06-11-2019, 09:40 AM
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That group of Birmingham hitters could also be used to acquire similarly situated pitching; but they need to get out of their funk.

They can't fix this pitching through free agency...that's rabbit's foot stuff.
They actually have been unfunking the last several weeks. Gonzalez isn't moving as fast as Sheets or Rutherford, but they are all improving slowly but steadily.

As is Tyler Frost at A+.
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Old 06-11-2019, 10:40 AM
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Pseudo OT, but as we think about the future, consider if there's a potential slot for Leury as maybe more than a utility guy. Defensively, MLB tracks a stat that indicates what I've seen with the eye test - he's great. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/JUMP

So if he's even a decent offensive player, say .270 BA or higher, that level of D (and assuming Robert plays RF in that scenario) may make him valuable enough to keep in that slot. Obviously, if you can upgrade the bat and not downgrade the D by putting Robert in CF and adding one of the younger OFs in RF, that's preferable. But Leury as a contingency doesn't seem that bad.
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Old 06-11-2019, 10:47 AM
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Pseudo OT, but as we think about the future, consider if there's a potential slot for Leury as maybe more than a utility guy. Defensively, MLB tracks a stat that indicates what I've seen with the eye test - he's great. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/JUMP
By that measure he certainly is great defensively.
I thought he had a chance to deliver .750 OPS. But doesn't look like it. He seems to be strictly dependent on batting average...low power, very few walks.
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Old 06-11-2019, 10:51 AM
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Pseudo OT, but as we think about the future, consider if there's a potential slot for Leury as maybe more than a utility guy. Defensively, MLB tracks a stat that indicates what I've seen with the eye test - he's great. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/JUMP

So if he's even a decent offensive player, say .270 BA or higher, that level of D (and assuming Robert plays RF in that scenario) may make him valuable enough to keep in that slot. Obviously, if you can upgrade the bat and not downgrade the D by putting Robert in CF and adding one of the younger OFs in RF, that's preferable. But Leury as a contingency doesn't seem that bad.
At the worst he's a solid utility guy to have around.
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Old 06-11-2019, 11:06 AM
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Pseudo OT, but as we think about the future, consider if there's a potential slot for Leury as maybe more than a utility guy. Defensively, MLB tracks a stat that indicates what I've seen with the eye test - he's great. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/JUMP

So if he's even a decent offensive player, say .270 BA or higher, that level of D (and assuming Robert plays RF in that scenario) may make him valuable enough to keep in that slot. Obviously, if you can upgrade the bat and not downgrade the D by putting Robert in CF and adding one of the younger OFs in RF, that's preferable. But Leury as a contingency doesn't seem that bad.
I think he's a highly valuable utility guy-especially in an era of pitching staffs with 12-13 pitchers- a switch hitter who can run and adequately play up to 6 positions is a nice asset.
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Old 06-11-2019, 11:08 AM
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I think it's premature to worry about the outfield. We don't know whether Eloy will be able to stay in left and we don't know which of our prospects will make it, but an all-home-grown outfield is still very possible. I would save trade chips for positions that will be harder to fill in free agency.
Itís not necessarily worry about the outfield. Itís more about getting the best return available, regardless of position.
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Old 06-11-2019, 11:20 AM
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Don't put it past the Sox to sign Rendon after this year to a 6 year $180 deal. That would mean Moncada would slide to LF and Eloy to DH.
I do not like this idea at all. First, it would surprise me to see the Sox sign someone to a $30 million a year contract. Second, why move Moncada to a position he has never played? He seems to have turned things around and embraced 3B so why risk him regressing by moving him again?
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Old 06-11-2019, 11:24 AM
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By that measure he certainly is great defensively.
I thought he had a chance to deliver .750 OPS. But doesn't look like it. He seems to be strictly dependent on batting average...low power, very few walks.
Going into last night, his LH OPS was an even .600 on the season. Thatís not just bad, thatís Adam Engel bad. Yesterdayís blind squirrel homer raised that to .618, which is absolutely brutal offensive production from a leadoff man in 3/4ths of his plate appearances. Want to lead him off in his RH plate appearances, go right ahead. He has been awesome RH this year, so it makes perfect sense to ride that out. However, that LH production is nowhere near major league caliber for any spot in the lineup, let alone the leadoff spot.
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Old 06-11-2019, 11:32 AM
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Going into last night, his LH OPS was an even .600 on the season. Thatís not just bad, thatís Adam Engel bad. Yesterdayís blind squirrel homer raised that to .618, which is absolutely brutal offensive production from a leadoff man in 3/4ths of his plate appearances. Want to lead him off in his RH plate appearances, go right ahead. He has been awesome RH this year, so it makes perfect sense to ride that out. However, that LH production is nowhere near major league caliber for any spot in the lineup, let alone the leadoff spot.
Yeah and I agree he should be a bench player and actually having a guy who hits well batting RH makes some sense because so often you see teams bring in LOOGY style pitchers. Of course next year they have to pitch an inning but Leury adds depth and can be an asset off the bench.
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Old 06-11-2019, 12:03 PM
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Yeah and I agree he should be a bench player and actually having a guy who hits well batting RH makes some sense because so often you see teams bring in LOOGY style pitchers. Of course next year they have to pitch an inning but Leury adds depth and can be an asset off the bench.
People are discussing him as a long-term starter in the outfield, both here and on NBC Sports Chicago. Overestimating the talent level of these place fillers is exactly the type of thing that canít happen during a rebuild like this. The only position players who should be considered long-term contributors are Anderson, Moncada, and Jimenez.
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Old 06-11-2019, 12:14 PM
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People are discussing him as a long-term starter in the outfield, both here and on NBC Sports Chicago. Overestimating the talent level of these place fillers is exactly the type of thing that canít happen during a rebuild like this. The only position players who should be considered long-term contributors are Anderson, Moncada, and Jimenez.
Well fans will be fans and Leury has given some solid production this season so I can understand fans getting excited and sports talking heads have to fill a LOT of hours in a given day so they will say most anything. The two are probably feeding off each other also, but there are several players who will push Leury out in the long run. We aren't taking Robert out of CF to accommodate Garcia.
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Old 06-11-2019, 12:16 PM
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People are discussing him as a long-term starter in the outfield, both here and on NBC Sports Chicago. Overestimating the talent level of these place fillers is exactly the type of thing that canít happen during a rebuild like this. The only position players who should be considered long-term contributors are Anderson, Moncada, and Jimenez.
I don't think many people are considering him "plan A" as a starter in the OF. Ideally he would be a utility/platoon guy. His outfield defense has come a long way from where it was a year or two ago, when he seemed like someone who could play lots of positions at a below-average level.
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People are discussing him as a long-term starter in the outfield, both here and on NBC Sports Chicago. Overestimating the talent level of these place fillers is exactly the type of thing that canít happen during a rebuild like this. The only position players who should be considered long-term contributors are Anderson, Moncada, and Jimenez.
Particularly since I think they lose control of him after next season. And the Sox really aren't at the point where they need to lock up utility players long-term.
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Old 06-11-2019, 12:53 PM
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Particularly since I think they lose control of him after next season. And the Sox really aren't at the point where they need to lock up utility players long-term.
That brings another question - is he worth the money he'll get in arbitration this year as the starting CF and Leadoff hitter? That's probably what, $7M?

If they expect Robert to be here early 2020 then maybe it's best if they look to trade Leury this year.
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